My first though when watching this video is that anything the Germans do to prolong the war just results in Germany being the first recipient of canned sunshine. I'm glad to see he mentioned it.
All they needed is ancient jew technology and they'd win
My only criticism of this video is that he implied Hitler didn't make any mistakes in respect to Kursk, but Hitler repeatedly delayed this attack due to the fact he wanted to wait for the Panther tank to become available, presumably to deal more effectively with the IS tank. The main issue with this is that Britain had forewarned Russia of the attack on the Kursk salient due to having cracked Enigma, just as they warned the Russians about the impending Barbarossa attack in 1941 (although Stalin was complacent and rejected this notion due to distrusting the British.)
Germany got outproduced. Oil shortages limited them immensely, but even if you ignore that, no country on earth could match the industrial output of the US at that point in time. Take a look at the liberty ship. It's nothing fancy. Literally a floating box to haul shit from point A to point B.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/49/SS_John_W_Brown.jpg
In 1943 the US was producing 3 of these per day.
The Germans literally had problems sinking them fast enough. Bear in mind, this is just one type of boat being produced, let alone the dozens of planes being made every day.
There aint anything more annoying than a wehraboo that comes up with endless excuses how they could have won the war or why Hitler dindu nuffin wrong in general
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One strategy Germany should have tried would have been to have army group centre hold their ground rather than investing in taking Stalingrad, a target that was not all that strategic anyway and sending army group south down to the Baku oil fields, as they're rich in fuel. Still, there's no way Germany could have won even if they'd solved their fuel shortage issues.
Wehraboo types are generally annoying, especially when they try to flaunt around "superior" German technology.
Yeah it woulda been Ez for Germany to win. Don't ally with those shitcunt japs, don't get dragged into war with U.S., do a better job in Russia, sue for peace with UK if they couldn't get past the channel.
This is pretty anecdotal. Can i fart in a jar and get views also ?
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the correction is needed. Stalingrad was absolutely strategic for Germany for at least three major reasons: A) Volga is the main route for the bulk oil transfer from the Caucasus, guess which river Stalingrad sits directly on top of; B) for the same reason Wehrmacht couldn't just jump straight after Moscow like some, Guderian for example, insisted: that would be presenting a nice and soft flank for the Soviet forces to tear into, and in a matter of months the entire army group South would meet the same fate as the 6th Army, and much earlier; C) Stalingrad was also a major railroad hub in the region. And since Wehrmacht's maneuverable logistics at that point mostly relied on horses and donkeys,
having a railroad handy was absolutely critical for transporting equipment.
Stalingrad was absolutely critical. Wehrmacht command made a ton of mistakes, but trying to take Stalingrad was not one of them, that was a sound decision.
Yeah no. Therese are all fantasy.
United States didn't declare war on Germany because the Japan attacked them. Germany declared war on US, even though its pact with the Japanese Empire didn't obligate it to join an aggressive war, something which Hitler was obviously aware of. In order for Germany not to declare war on US Hitler had to not be Hitler. Do not forget that the US was only officially neutral - as in, no armed participation. Supplies were still being sent out to support the Allies.
The peace with Britain was straight up impossible because Churchill just wouldn't do that, he wasn't retarded and knew two important things: a) that Hitler had literally no means of attacking the British Isles and b) the fact that Hitler could not be trusted under any circumstances, so even if UK went and signed some kind of peace agreement with Germany, both sides would be fully aware that anything written in the text would not hold for any length of time. In order for Germany to make peace with UK Churchill would've had to not be Churchill.
"Doing a better job in Russia" is vague. What better job? Commit more war crimes, rape and kill more civilians? Round up more Jews? Burn more villages? Starve and work more POWs to death? Or the opposite, commit less war crimes? Well that would require Nazi Germany to not be Nazi. Or somehow be more successful in an actual, like, war? How, feed soldiers more Panzerschokolade, Stuka-Tabletten and other interesting things?
When exactly did Stalin "very nearly straight up surrendered"? It's very interesting, I want to know more. How did his generals and marshals not know about it, being busy trying to organizing defenses, counterattacks and prevent further routs and all that.
One can make up a billion ways for Germany to win WW2, but each and every one would be about equal to "the ancient aliens could've awoken and helped Hitler". Germany could not have won. We know that for certain because they
didn't. Too many things had to be radically different, uncharacteristic of historic figures taking part, and some straight up impossible, like "commencing the Seelöwe", "having more oil somehow" or "producing more trucks to replace
horsies".
Germany made too many enemies and not enough allies. Which is surprisingly easy to do when you're a fascist hellhole. Germany in the 1930s had some of the finest engineers in the world. Imagine what they could have done if they'd put their heads together for peaceful goals.
Well you just fail to understand what if's then don't you? That's the whole POINT of this line of thinking, butterfly effect is a bitch and there's no way you, me or anyone can predict what could or would happen. Sure the vast majority of them result in Germany losing, but once again to say that Germany coming to peace terms without some gains would just be talking out your ass.
which is why counter-factuals are retarded. all they are doing is you talking out of your ass. especially when talking about something so large.
"What if"s should create a sound logical structure. In this case they don't. They should be at least plausible. But the very premises of the situation make any point here moot. There's absolutely zero ways in which Churchill would have
realistically signed peace with the Nazis - and that's absolutely fundamental to make German victory even debatable. Britain would've never left Soviet Union to fend for itself because Churchill knew that once USSR is defeated,
Hitler would build up an invasion fleet. There's only one faint possibility in which Germany would've achieved what might pass for a victory - if they stopped at Poland and didn't invade France, maybe in a couple of years Allied powers
would've agreed to settle. But soon enough German economy would collapse and bye-bye Hitler, so not much of a victory.
Like, the only reason I replied to your post in the tone I did is your attitude towards the video. Chill, man.
Really, the only way I see any sort of 'German Victory' is if they were able to complete their nuke technology in time and didn't have every fucking spy destroying their projects because they suck shit at security.
Don't forget that lots of those engineers either fled the country or died in the wehrmacht because the Nazis were too scared to let women in mass into the factories for the longest time.
Found the wehraboo's.
If you watched the video you would know why that wouldn't have happened.
The more you read about WW2 and how the war actually went you realize how utterly hopeless the Axis war effort was. Germany's massive successes in the early war was mostly thanks to pure luck. It's like the last election, one side wasn't way smarter and won through genius, it's just that one side was so incompetent that the other managed to win.
It should also be noted the only major nation that should have really stopped Germany that they roundly beat was France, Poland was the other one but they were abandoned by their allies and attacked by the Soviets at the same time. France should have beaten Germany, or held them, but the French government and military were so fucking awful at their job that it turned into a massive shit show. Even then, there were multiple times in the invasion that the French very nearly broke the German army, mostly thanks to the Germans massively overextending themselves.
To be fair (not towards Nazis, fuck them, but to historic facts) there weren't really scared of that. Women were finely integrated into the workforce in Weimar Republic. Then Nazis came into power and specifically excluded women
from the workforce again. They did it on strictly ideological basis, because Nazi ideals promoted "traditional Aryan family" where woman is strictly a mother and a companion to her worker/farmer husband. They also "elegantly"
reduced the unemployment this way, how smart, right? Nazis didn't let women work in factories until shit became extremely desperate, and even then in limited numbers, because they still believed in their ideals. They weren't scared,
they were just extremely fanatical.
That's something that amazes me in the Third Reich. I can't think of any other state in history that more accurately resembled a huge cult, including occultism and all. All examples I can think of actually changed and tried to adapt
when pushed to desperation. Not Nazi leadership. The more the war dragged on, the more obvious the failure got, the more fanatical and delusional they seemingly became. They absolutely destroyed their economy in the name of
genocide. They fucking started the biggest, bloodiest, most horrible war in history, war that literally ended wars as people knew them back then, with the explicit and stated goal to eradicate "lesser peoples" and establish a land where
future Germans would live in some kind of idyllic pastoral dreamland, living in thatch-roofed houses, working the land, farming, peacefully raising livestock, running around merrily in traditional clothing, worshiping Nazi-approved pagan gods and celebrating folk holidays with fires and naked dances. It's like 1930s-40s Germany fell from some other dimension or timeline, missing all of mankind's vast history and development. Even Imperial Japan, even Maoist China
weren't that retardedly fanatical, to the point of literal state (almost national) suicide. It blows my mind how delusional people with that much power can get. Truly the absolute worst, most wicked, most abhorrent, irredeemably evil
humanity has to offer.
The Nazis' "traditional Aryan family" thing was horrible oppressive, so I think it's apt to say they were scared of women having equal rights. The problem is that all the major allied nations started having women in
the factories from pretty much day 1 of their involvement in the war. It was only around 1944 when women were in the factories but at that point the war was already lost and germany sent so many of its researchers and industralists into the wehrmacht to go die as cannon fodder.
I don't disagree at all, it was oppressive. I'm just trying to point out that from the ideological point of view (and, as I said, it wasn't just an excuse, it was their actual for-real worldview, genuine belief) it wasn't misogynistic, it was
righteous and literally the only state of affairs worth existing in. It had much less to do with insecurity, rather it was pure cultist madness. The very idea of "equal rights" (or proper human rights at all) was foreign concept, like why
would anyone want that, that's unheard of, our idea is objectively the best one out there, everything else is Jewish depraved degeneracy. Compared to US or UK, where, although suffrage was sort of established, the culture was still very patriarchal at its core and misogynistic out of actual insecurity - and yet these nations recognized the need to adapt to the situation when it was staring them in the eye. The Nazis not just did not, they could not.
I don't think misogynists think of themselves as bad or wrong though. Also keep in mind Germany wasn't completely hypnotized by the Nazis. It's just those who spoke out were taken away so most people kept silent. I doubt even some of the higher Nazi officers truely believed in the whole aryan master race thing.
It doesn't much matter what the vast minority of the population and like maybe a couple Nazi officers believed tbh. Germany was for all intents and purposes completely hypnotized. Now, the idea of Aryan lifestyle wasn't very public, it
mostly sat there in development, that is true. My point is that the ones who made all of the decisions were fanatics. They were misogynistic of course, it's just that "scared" is the wrong term and leaves the wrong impression. It's worse that that, these fucks weren't scared, they simply viewed equal rights as Jewish degenerate idea. Sure, you can say "scared of women" if you like to disparage them, and you would be absolutely correct from our point of view today. But if you try to look at it in context, IMO it becomes even more terrifying and for that reason, much more important to recognize and remember. Frankly, it's not an argument worth having, since I agree with you completely, just wish to
bring some attention how radical ideologies and cult fanaticism can warp perspective.
I love people who claim the Maus would have solved everything, even though smaller german tanks like the jadgtiger used to rattle themselves apart due to being too fucking big.
All Germany's big tanks were ever good at was getting stuck in ditches.
This was a rather interesting vid and while my own knowledge of WW2 is very limited I do realise that fighting everyone at the same time was kind of a silly plan.
Because of this I often wonder more about what-if's in the form of what if they didn't make an enemy of everyone and instead opted for a different kind of "lebensraum"? Like expanding into the east and the south instead of attacking both France and Russia. Kind of like how I'd wonder if Japan just kept at its conquest of China instead of suddenly getting hungry for American Islands
Hate to sound like a wehraboo, but could they possibly of won if they didn't overextend and didn't wage wars on multiple fronts?
They could not have won, a war on both fronts and the allied nations ambition to crush their forces outweighs the Nazi regimes ambition.
IIRC the British Empire was producing planes at a rate of 4:1 compared to germany. With our planes tech (radar) which the Nazis didn't know of at first was detrimental to them. Not only that we had beaufighters with heavy weapons to take out basically any aircraft it came up against.
By 1943 like the vid said, Germany was running low on pretty much everything, then the Americans joined in on full gear, tanks, ships, planes, manpower. The Nazis had no manpower to win the war due to the amount of errors they made (invading France and Russia). There is a slight possibility that they could have win A war if they just invaded poland and left it at that. France was the turning point due to their alliances, Germany was completely ruined due to this also IIRC they never wanted a war with Britain so just shows how idiotic the High command was.
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