Investigators said he told them that he suspected the animals were killing chickens his class was raising. Once trapped, he said he couldn't shoot them because guns aren't allowed on school property and bludgeoning them would be "too brutal and messy," WKMG reported.
Maybe call animal control?
won't face criminal charges because investigators say the killings weren't cruel or inhumane.
Yeah and I guess waterboarding is fine too by this standard.
Let's bring back the death penalty and use drowning; it's much cheaper!
What the fuck?
Sick fuck doesn't belong around animals, let alone children
Not sure how I feel. They were killing the class chickens, he gave thought as to how to best go about it with as little gore as possible, and people these days are far too removed from the realities of life and death.
Sure animal control was the safer bet for his own job but realistically it was the normal human thing to do for literally tens of thousands of years at least.
Calling animal control seems like such a more reasonable option that one has to wonder if he just really wanted to drown a raccoon.
The Ocala Star-Banner reports that Assistant State Attorney Toby Hunt
noted that a jury recently acquitted a man charged with animal cruelty
after cutting off the tails of four kittens with rusty scissors.
Are these juries full of ignorants that somehow belive animals don't feel pain or something? Jesus. I've seen few to many of similar cases being dismissed.
I know that in NY animal control says we have to handle raccoons ourselves. Was a little dumbfounded, but they basically told our apartment building that we had to get our own traps and whatnot.
drowning an animal is cruel and psychopathic. In terms of "uncruel ways to kill an animal", drowning it is pretty fucking low on the list
Yea give them to animal control so they can drown them instead.
If you talk to fish&game for most states, drowning is recommended if you cant shoot them. Obviously the teacher shouldnt have done this in front of kids.
Doesn't animal control in most cases release them in some nearby woods, or suitable park? (assuming they aren't an invasive species)
If its a squirrel, yea. Coons dont belong near people and your typical animal contrpl guy isnt going to drove to a desolate state park to release a coon. They cant just release a coon in a downtown psrk because its going to end up in the same situation as before. I might be cofusing coons with skunks, but they travel up to 10 or 20 miles in search of food. So you gotta take the animal far to properly relocate it.
Animal control also isnt well funded enough to be using euthanasia chemicals on racoons. Theyll just drown the thing like everyone else.
The problem isn't necessarily that he killed the racoons, it's that:
A. He did it in front of students, and
B. He did it in a rather inhumane way.
I'm not saying the guy should go to jail or anything but a small fine at least would reaffirm the idea that this is wrong to do.
Yeah your average person might not feel compelled to do it but I'm talking about their policies, or at least their stated ones.
That's why I said suitable park. Like a real park, not a city 'park'.
I seriously doubt this.
It is, in fact, illegal in California to drown captive animals.
Title 14, §4004, part g.
Probably legal in Florida, but somehow I doubt animal control just tosses animals into buckets of water to drown them en masse.
Animal control varies state to state. Theres no national policies. From having lived in Florida, fish and game doesnt care about coons. Theyre more concerned about pythons and gators.
Like I said youre probably going to do more harm than good by just releasing it willy nilly. I doubt Florida animal control would bother.
What did i say in my post? Call fish and game, this is probably what theyll tell you. I was given the syringe advice for a skunk by fish and game.
I never said someone should do catch and release themselves, that's why I said they probably just should have called animal control.
Ultimately they'll end up doing (probably) what's best for the local environment, whether that's repopulating them or exterminating them.
I seriously don't know why they would recommend you syringe an animal full of antifreeze considering that Ethylene glycol (what most antifreeze used to be until recently) is sweet, meaning that an animal will eat it without needing an injection. Furthermore, injecting a skunk? Why would they assume you'd have a hypodermic needle lying around, or to approach a skunk at all.
I called Fish and Wildlife and they told me to call Animal Services.
An animal in distress probably isnt thirsty lol.
You can get a syringe and even a syringe on a pole at tractor supply.
I obviously dont recommend injecting a skunk or any animal with anything. Thats needlessly cruel and painful. The best bet is to either shoot them or drown them. I brought up the syringe thing to point out that these animals are pests and dont fall under the same guidelines as domestic pets.
I can confirm that most of the time, animal control doesn't give a fuck unless it's a cat or a dog. They'll come in and trap cats and dogs to haul them to shelters, but any other animal they'll either kill, or tell you to kill. We recently reported a coyote hanging around in our neighborhood because it might be a threat to our cats, and the local Police Department sent an officer here with a .223 rifle and shot it, wrapped it in a trash bag, and put it in his trunk to be disposed of later.
Judging by your reactions, if I told you the body count my father has for raccoons and groundhogs, you'd probably call him worse than Gacy.
But in reality, they were pests, we already lived in a park, and its the simplest and safest way to get rid of them.
A friend of mine would take his extra puppies put them in a box and stick a car exhaust pipe to kill them rather than drowning them. I mean drowning may seem brutal but they are just animals; It is better to kill them than to let them to hurt other people or be hurt by them. Only problem was he did it in front of his class.
I was thinking more about the skunk spraying you as far as why they wouldn't tell you to inject it with something. Though also please if you're going to jab metal into an animal do it out of the muzzle of a gun (ideally) or a fast spade.
Embarrassing is how this forum brings out the creeps with no empathy who think it's okay to kill a box of puppies or humane to drown animals.
Drowning a living being should never be seen as "nothing". You should feel fucking ashamed
A teacher drowning an animal in front of his students isn't nothing.
Regardless of one's opinions on whether or not drowning is a humane way to dispose of a problem animal, this man did so at a school, in front of a bunch of teenagers. There is nothing okay about that.
I think the current outcome is fine. He doesn't need charged with anything, his retirement is a good thing as he doesn't need punished necessarily but a dude that thinks it's okay to drown an animal in front of school kids definitely doesn't need to be teaching.
Do you also cry when you see ants in a puddle? Come on, you should be a bit more specific when you reference intelligent terrestrial chordates.
In any case, what this guy did was extremely unnecessary and kind of fucked up. Just take it to field elsewhere or at the very minimum stun it before trying to kill it like that, Jesus.
I feel like there's almost no amount of cruelty or abuse that people won't look at and say "only a liberal would be bothered by that"
let's be clear guys, killing animals when you need to do pest control is literally okay. to say otherwise, or to ascribe people as crazy psychopaths for being willing to do so, would be to shame the entirety of the agricultural industry. some people don't really have a choice, due to their job or where they live, in whether or not they have to eliminate animals for the sake of pest control.
the fucked up part of this story is the drowning of the raccoon, it is doing it in front of children. i'm not denying that you shouldn't ever drown a living animal infront of a classroom of children. but whenever threads like this spring up i get a really clear impression that a lot of facepunchers seem to genuinely believe that humans should never ever harm an animal ever, and doing so is psychopathic and cruel.
Sure, some animals are not necessarily as high priority in terms of humane treatment, but I think it's at least fair to say it's fucked up to go out of your way to murder ANY animal for no good reason
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