Oh for fucks sake... why oh why do we need to pander to fucking DF with this horseshit.
If you really dig enough, there's a somewhat logical argument in favour of this somewhere...but I'm doubtful it's been done for whatever reason that may be.
Like this whole thing just goes against all things good in a western democracy. The politicians seem to argue that it somehow liberates women and whatnot, but hey, what about that religious freedom, eh? What about the majority of muslim women who wear these clothes by choice, and not because they are forced to it? By all means, help people being forced to wear religious clothing against their will, but this is obviously to fuck with muslims in particular to get those sweet, sweet DF votes. And if they could, they would totally ban just the niqab and burka, but that would be against the constitution, so they pull this pussy shit where they just ban all clothes that covers the face as an excuse... despite the fact that, hey, some of us likes to wrap a fucking scarf around our faces when it's freezing ya goofs!
I will admit, I'm mad as hell, but not really surprised. What REALLY gets me is that the social democrats overwhelmingly voted for this, which just goes to show that they have truly decided to becom 'DF light' in the hope that they can get some of those unalligned voters. God damnit.
Isn't the ban for masks in general? Not saying it's a good idea at all, but I'm pretty sure it's not a specific face veil ban (although that's definitely the intended target by those who proposed it). I can see a little bit of sense in banning masks in general, but has it ever been a problem, though?
The ban is for masks in general, but we already had such a law and have had it for years. This law is specifically aimed at burkas and niqabs.
And you could argue we've had issues with people wearing masks during demonstrations (see COP15 and all the trouble surrounding the Youth House (Ungdomshuset)), but the thing is, the
police will catch the people making trouble (tossing and breaking shit, if not being outright violent) regardless of whether they wear masks or not. So it's totally redundant.
While this is technically possible, I've neither seen nor heard of anyone getting into trouble for covering their faces during Autumn or Winter. So I would not worry about that specifically.
It's what happened in Austria when a law like this one passed.
The law makes exceptions in case you have a """legitimate"""" reason. Apparently legitimate reasons doesn't include religious ones.
I hate what this country has come to, and if this is really the quality of people who live and vote in this country, I doubt we have anything to fear from taking in more refugees. Fear, prejudice, populism and complete lack of principles or visions. These people are ostensibly protecting Danish culture, but they're continually transgressing basic tenants of our democracy to do so. Coupled with the inability to see Danish culture as anything beyond the ability to eat pig for Christmas, I'm worried where we are going.
I have and you should worry.
Honestly, a lot of Danes (I'd even daresay the majority) have always had a "let's stick it to them foreigners!" attitude. Anything that pisses off or inconveniences anyone who isn't a 110%
pureblood Dane is something they'll gladly see happen.
While it is certainly a possibility, I really don't think you can compare them. Like I said, I've never heard of people being stopped because they're covering their faces, not even in the big cities
like Copenhagen where there's always police around.
God I hate this government. A bunch of incompetent shortsighted corrupt wankers the whole bunch
The Libertarian party, LA, said that their members could vote any way they wanted, but that their ministers had to follow the rest of the government or they would be removed. What a bunch of hollow promises. That actually happened to the social democrat speaker because she stood up for her values. Apparently politics now is just about sticking the tounge up the ass of the populist party because they have been gaining votes. In Germany, people have at least been standing up to AFD.
I guess it's sort of a clever move when every single party does it at once. If only one party decides to be racist shitbags, you'll have voter-flight to the nearest non-racist party. However, when every party decides to go full DF at once, moderates have nowhere to flee unless we wanna vote the fuckin' communists, corporatists or ecoradicals in.
Or I guess RV, which might just be my pick now we're pinched between xenophobia and EU-scepticism
I'm a Muslim, and in my opinion, at certain public areas, our head should not be covered by veil/helmet masks, for security reasons.
After all, face-veil are NOT of Islamic teaching. Wearing a scarf down to the chest is. The face-veils are just social traditions. It's not a compulsary for a Muslim. If a country deems that wearing a face veil compromises their security efforts, then we should respect their opinion, especially if we are not required to wear them in the first place.
The key words being "certain public areas" and "for security reasons".
While this new Danish law is "Everywhere except at home" and "For any reason at all"
A great day for freedom. Shoutout to the heroic police officers who took down this threat to public safety:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/aug/24/french-police-make-woman-remove-burkini-on-nice-beach
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Looks like they just flat out banned everything that have Arabic smell. That cloth doesn't even cover the face. Nor their reasoning had any objectivity; they just felt like banning it
You would have these vicious killers going around and swimming with sleeves on???
One sec...
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Looks like the police didn't feel like...
Playing Nice
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You fucking madman you're the first one to do it
I can understand banning them in areas such as banks or when ID must be known, like purchasing alcohol.
But in public in general is too far.
While I don't agree the way it's done currently, something has to be done against wearing burqas and niqab. Trust between citizens is built on living in a society together with other people, and being able to see other people. Burqas just don't have a place there. You never know who it is under it. This kind of "disguise" should not be done in western countries such as ours. Especially in public places where identification is important. Imagine getting attacked by a woman in a burqa. How the hell do you want to describe her? There have been attacks on police officers in Austria when they enforced the burqa law.
And even headscarfs are not really worn by choice by specific women. Some maybe. This kind of masking of specific women's parts are done to prevent a man to assault on said women. I could be wrong but I think it's stated in the Quran that headscarfs/hijabs are worn to hide the hair of women which sexually attract the men. Correct me if I'm wrong here. The woman is being taught that she should wear it for her own safety (oppressing her) so that she doesn't get sexually assaulted by men (I have seen some documentaries and interviews of islamic kindergarten in Germany), and it's even suggesting that men are simply sex-hungry animals. Double stupid on this end. And it's done on little children as well, not just adults. There are some women that are actively taught since their early age that it's a sign of strength and empowerment to wear it (despite the implifications above). Or that she has the choice to wear it (but if she doesn't she would get the consequences for doing so.) I'm definitely not a fan of burqas, niqabs and headscarfs/hijabs but the execution as done here and in Austria isn't the best.
Let me say first of all: To me the burqa is a symbol of oppression, no question about it.
With that said, I'm not sure you'd be able to find a single case of someone in a burqa assaulting (or niqab for that matter) someone in Denmark. The number of people who wear them is minuscule, and they're women. As an extension of that, you're probably doing pretty well with regards to descriptions if you can say "It was a woman and she wore a burqa" instead of "it was a middle-eastern guy around 180cm high".
I agree that we should be able to look each other in the eyes - but the idea that we have the right to see someone's face when there's no legitimate reason for it (identification purposes, security) is absurd.
Brandishing this piece of legislation as anything but harassment is impossible, because it was always meant as such.
That reminds me of my colleague, who's a chinese, and went to France with his family 2 years ago. He stressed on his bad experience there, involving taxis who wont stop for them, and shopkeepers who don't really talk to them. Probably this is a problem of the locales to be tolerant to other cultures as a whole, not just to specific clothing. This is is probably one aspect of civilization that they havent really developed well. Different country, different aspect.
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