https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-pardon-stewart/trump-says-he-may-pardon-martha-stewart-idUSKCN1IW2D6?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=Social
"U.S. President Donald Trump on Thursday said he was considering pardoning celebrity lifestyle guru Martha Stewart, who was convicted in 2004 on charges of
conspiracy, obstruction of justice and making false statements related to a probe of alleged insider trading."
Seems that's right up Trump's alley.
...who was convicted in 2004 on charges of
conspiracy, obstruction of justice and making false statements related to a probe of alleged insider trading."
Birds of a feather...
Funny how he's pardoning celebrities that are guilty of all the things he's alleged or suspected of doing.
Probably a reason Trump ran for president was to pardon all white collar criminals.
It's almost like he's trying establish precedent
Didn't she already do her time?
Please continue setting precedence, it's pretty obvious what you're leading up to.
So did D'Souza, though note that I say "time" sarcastically, because he only served eight months in a white collar halfway house in San Diego. It had a private tennis court.
Let's take a look at the crimes that the people he's been pardoning:
Joe Arpaio
Abuse of power
Misuse of Funds
Election law violations
Criminal contempt of court
Scooter Libby
Making false statements to investigators
Perjury before a grand jury
Obstruction of justice
Dinesh D'Souza
Campaign finance fraud
Making false statements to authorities
Martha Stewart
Criminal conspiracy
Obstruction of justice
Making false statements
Financial crimes
Gee, his pardons all seem to have a particular focus.
What would really happen if the shitgibbon pardoned any campaign members who have federal charges?
Gonna laugh if Martha says she'll only accept the pardon if "you pardon my homeboy Snoop, too".
I mean she's probably not going to, but it'd be hilarious.
As I understand it, they'd simply be charged with state charged (or something along those lines, I'm sure someone can explain it better), which the President cannot pardon.
trump's really gunna go on a pardoning spree ain't he?
If or when such charges are even applicable, yes, state charges are theoretically untouchable by a presidential pardon -- except when Trump also have influence over the state judiciary, which is why the resignation of AG Schneiderman in New York is such a massive deal. Don't get me wrong: AG Schneiderman should absolutely have resigned in the face of the crimes and conduct he is facing. However, his deposement opens up the possibility of Trump seeing a loyalist replace him, which could potentially allow Trump to pardon all federal charges, and the new AG of New York pardoning all state charges for anybody charged in the state of New York. This could include himself, Cohen, Paul Manafort, Rick Gates, the Trump family, and even some of the charges against Michael Flynn.
Basically, if Trump topples the rule of law in the state of New York, the likelihood of him and his co-conspirators getting away with everything become much, much more likely.
So yeah, he's just pardoning everyone who committed the same crimes he did.
Are there other US presidents who also did something similar?
I think the only time the US has had a situation even comparable to the extremes the hypothetical case of Trump corrupting the NY AG's office to have himself and his co-conspirators cleared of their richly-deserved punishments would be the civil war, which basically amounted to the southern states saying "fuck you no we're not letting you ban slavery in our territories" when it looked like the rule of law was going to be a significant threat to their future.
And that's not a pretty comparison.
If Trump were to do that, I feel like he'd have legitimate reasons to fear the people -- and to be exceedingly clear I am not in any way condoning violence, only observing that it would be much more likely in such a dystopian hypothetical future where Trump is openly flaunting the law for his own dictatorial benefit.
Let's hope for a better timeline than that.
If Trump is eventually impeached and convicted, Pence had better fucking not even consider pardoning him.
There's a first for everything.
He's creating precedents so that when he's impeached he's able to worm his way out of it.
The justice system of the United States will never recover from this, and the country is pretty much fucked if this kind of stuff goes through. There won't be a way to reverse the tide of actions he's done once he's actually completed them.
We're genuinely watching the beginning of the end of the United States Justice System, which is the first domino.
It wouldn't surprise me if Trump tried to pardon himself at the end.
Trump is impeached and convicted, will spend 1,000x10 years in prison
Pence become President
Pence pardons Trump
Trump walks free
Trump campaigns for president
Trump becomes president again
official planet earth BAD ENDING (any%)(speed run)
'Nobody said anything when I pardoned all these people but when I pardon myself it's suddenly a Constitutional Crisis? Give me a break. More partisan hackery from the left and, I'm disappointed to say, I also give that to the Republicans. Sad.'
We've never had a President be impeached. Johnson and Clinton were both acquitted, and Nixon resigned before the impeachment process got very far along.
No matter what happens, we're in pretty uncharted territory.
No. This is the start of the Trump dynasty. After Pence it will be Donald Trump Jr, Then Eric Trump, and then Barron Trump.
I wonder if a certain lawyer gave him this brilliant idea to set precedent to buffer his go around.
Pence is a toothless coward that can't think for himself, he'd pardon Trump in seconds because he knows he's nothing without his daddy.
She's currently a guest judge on one of the top food network shows, what a hard life.
Looks like he's wants to pardon Rod too.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-met-illinois-governor-blagojevich-trump-20180531-story.html
At that point he might as well pardon all the Illinois governors that are currently or have done time, and for those not keeping score that would be half of the last eight.
Looks to me as though this is also meant to be another series of distractions. Perhaps anotber bombshell in the investigation soon.
Presidential pardons do not set legal precedent of any kind. In fact, following this administration I would not be surprised if the President had the power to grant pardons taken away. The only thing that can set legal precedent is court rulings.
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