Well color me suprised, who would have thought?
The term "healthy obesity" is such an obvious oxymoron. I do not understand why some goes to such lengths to deceive themselves.
the kind of obvious nonsense the scientific bureaucracy is publishing these days thanks to publish or perish mentalities. Who funded this waste of time? Any physician with a modicum of clinical experience could tell you that obesity isn't healthy, under any circumstances.
I think in this day and age, stating the scientifically obvious is, sadly, a necessity, because otherwise people will just refuse to believe it.
Its because this fat posititve movement in social media is making people think its okay to be obese.
Nah, they're going to refuse to believe it regardless
I am fat.
I am dieting and exercising to lose weight and it's working slowly but steadily.
People to say there is such a thing as healthy obesity are making excuses to justify their unhealthy lifestyle because they're unwilling to change, or too scared to admit they're eating themselves into an early grave, and actively making the problem worse.
its alright to be fat as long as you don't pretend you're healthy. i binge drink a lot more than i should and i know it's not good for me, but its fun so i dont really care
i just don't go around saying that it's just as healthy as veganism becuase it makes me happy and if you disagree you're a cunt
I don't even know how to get fat and I eat like a lard ass
If you're active, that's one thing, and a matter of calorie intake
if you're simply young and that's why, once you get older that is going to catch up on you, and quickly
Healthy obesity doesn't exist, the concept was just created by disgusting hambeasts to justify their gluttony to the rest of the world
Yes, you can be CURRENTLY healthy and obese, meaning that there is nothing wrong with you other than being obese, but this should NEVER be extrapolated to mean that obesity will not cause health problems down the road. Just because every part of your body is technically healthy doesn't mean that you aren't putting added strain on it that will take it's toll later down the road.
A couple of important points not made in the article:
"During 2 127 391 person-years of follow-up with a median follow-up of 24 years, we documented 6306 cases of cardiovascular disease including 3304 myocardial infarction cases and 3080 strokes. Cardiovascular disease risk of women with metabolically healthy obesity was increased compared with women with metabolically healthy normal weight (HR 1·39, 95% CI 1·15–1·68), but risk was considerably higher in women with metabolically unhealthy normal weight (2·43, 2·19–2·68), overweight (2·61, 2·36–2·89) and obesity (3·15, 2·83–3·50). The majority of metabolically healthy women converted to unhealthy phenotypes (2555 [84%] of 3027 women with obesity, 22 215 [68%] of 32 882 women with normal-weight after 20 years). Women who maintained metabolically healthy obesity during follow-up were still at a higher cardiovascular disease risk compared with women with stable healthy normal weight (HR 1·57, 1·03–2·38), yet this risk was lower than for initially metabolically healthy women who converted to an unhealthy phenotype (normal-weight 1·90, 1·66–2·17 vs obesity 2·74, 2·30–3·27). Particularly incident diabetes and hypertension increased the risk among women with initial metabolic health."
Saying there's nothing to (relative) "healthy obesity" is wrong (cursive); if you're obese, but metabolically healthy, you're still at lower risk than someone who's normal weight but metabolically unhealthy. What's important (and what I don't have access to), though, is how big these groups are - if you're obese, you're much more likely to fall in the "metabolically unhealthy" category, though. Furthermore, if you're obese, you're quite a bit more likely to become metabolically unhealthy. So you have both a larger risk of A) being metabolically unhealthy B) becoming metabolically unhealthy over a period of time (this is pretty much the same as A, but they split it in up in the study) and C) suffering from cardiovascular disease if you are or become metabolically unhealthy.
So all in all, you can be obese, and still have lower risk of cardiovascular disease than some people of normal weight. However, to do so, you need to dodge all of those bullets mentioned above, and even then you're still 40% more likely to develop some kind of cardiovascular disease than someone of normal weight and metabolically healthy. Considering that cardiovascular disease is such a big killer, those 40% are still pretty significant.
Healthily obese is just a buzzword. There is no such thing. Self-acceptance is important but when you put your life at risk you need to re-think if you aren't just blinding yourself and ignoring your problems.
Stay strong man.
I lost 100 lbs over the last few years. I was at 250 at my worst, now I'm at 150. Feels fantastic, it took 4-6 years at least and major life style changes. You can do it dude. You got this.
Just out of curiosity, how tall are you?
6"1
I can kind of see why people try to deceive themselves. I'm currently on a diet because of health reasons, but prior to starting my diet I would always think stuff like "well at least I am not THAT fat" or "it's not really causing much problems in my life". In my case, I am now pretty sure that I had a food addiction, which caused me to delude myself into thinking it's not too bad. At some point my doctor told me that I need to lose weight or I wouldn't live very long..... so yeah, that's what finally flipped the switch for me. It's going a lot better now though, I've lost 8 kg so far in about 3 months and I already feel a lot better (and I don't really have food cravings).
Maybe it's the same for other people who believe they have "healthy" obesity? Perhaps we, as people, should also put a lot of thought into the mental aspects of being overweight. I know that it's quite common for people to overeat when they are depressed, because food is yet another source of dopamine (especially sugary food).
Dude
Obesity is bad, if you are obese by definition you are not healthy. Obesity is a rocky road to many other illnesses and overall increases your chances of dying early age significantly. This is why when you get a physical you get weighed, if you weigh to much they want you to lose weight.
So no, you are factually and scientifically incorrect. Experts say you cannot be obese and healthy.
I see what you're getting at, but obesity isn't like the flu or a broken bone. It's a systemic issue that, if present, makes your whole body unhealthy. To say "I'm obese" isn't even saying you have a single problem either; the toll it takes on your body damages a hell of a lot more than you'd think.
I get being happy with who you are. Hell, I think it's fantastic. But not at the expense of your health. It isn't worth that much.
I think the point of saying "healthy overweight" is that there's ways you can still be healthy in specific ways despite it, but you still can't escape some of the related health issues. (At least I hope this is how most people interpret the idea)
I'm known to eat entire Red Baron pizzas by myself, don't exercise, and I STILL weigh about 150 lbs. at 6'3".
I lost 100lbs. The body positivity movement is just understandably seeking external reasons after they realize they have no internal energy, challenging culture as prescribing ideals that make some feel bad in a peak example of 'your truth'. it speaks to something greater going on in our society
having a high metabolism is fucking great
I'm fat but I hate fat positive, I support it as far as "don't be an asshole to fat people" but beyond that stop pretending it's healthy or beautiful because it's not. It's unhealthy and gross, and anyone who says otherwise is just trying to justify their faults. I don't try to justify mine, I'm fat, it's bad, I'm aware.
How do you do it, and I don't mean to look for some miracle diet. I mean where'd you find the fuckin' willpower, because that's been my biggest problem aside from a torn leg muscle I never got fixed. All my attempts have failed either because I get hungry and fuck it, get depressed and fuck it, or I realise there's a lump in my leg and see a doctor who's told me my leg muscle's torn (it seems benign but I still haven't started running regularly again).
walk or jog to increase calorie expenditure on top of a modest deficit , cut out sugar and starchy carbs, consider an eating window or trying a ketogenic diet for a few weeks. drink only water
Did you actually read the study? It doesn't state that this is its purpose at all. BBC is just running a clickbait headline.
Also clinical experience can often be pretty shit, that's why we need studies.
And one pretty important thing is figuring out specifically what kind of risks are entailed with obesity, how much, and what mitigation is even possible, because unless you widely change society you aren't going to get rid of most obesity.
Almost all metabolisms are within a 200 cal band, which isn't nothing but it's not very grand.
Most people who think they eat a lot, but aren't getting fat, are delusional. Just like those who think they eat nothing, and are getting fat, are also delusional. You can only know for sure by counting calories over a long period of time.
It's a case of politics getting involved in science, which pretty much never goes down well
People will still refuse anything to do with it, based around "well I'm not dead am I?!" and things of the sort.
I mean, it already came from scientific study of anatomy. Whats gonna change now?
In all honesty it's a long story.
I've been trying to think of how to write a small recollection of the journey I've been through but it's really hard to not feel like I'm being too proud of myself.
I'll be honest, it wasn't easy, and I still have days that can be harder than others. But it is possible, and you can do it. It just takes time, patience and like you said, will power.
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