Israel Sniper Killed Voluteer Female Medic, 100 Protesters Wounded
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The person killed was identified as medical nurse Razan Ashraf Al Najjar, 20, ministry officials said.
WAFA, the official Palestinian news agency, described Najjar as a "volunteering paramedic," and said she was killed by Israeli snipers while providing first aid to injured protesters at the fence east of Khan Younes, in southern Gaza.
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/06/01/middleeast/israel-gaza-medic-killed/index.html
Another???
Just waiting for Facepunch's Team Israel to come out the woodwork.
Killing active medics in a militarized area is only detestable. I feel this should be tried as a war crime.
t IS a war crime
She must have thrown a lot of stones
Or flying kites
I mean lets be real, they were kind of... you know... worse?
I mean i know Israel has done some bad shit.
But doing this "They're worse than Nazis" completely diminishes the terrible shit the Nazis have done.
Yeah, I'm always going to have a problem with people likening Jews to Nazis, as it's just an easy way to try and discredit them, one that doesn't work in most situations. However, I do massively disagree with Israel on the whole.
This is sad and barbaric. I wish the US would do something about it.
It's also just plain wrong, there's numerous documented instances of Nazi soldiers shooting medics, to the point where some American medics believed they were deliberately being targeted by sniper fire and removed their medical insignia.
Why? We ONLY lose when siding against Israel. They are a regional power that we can generally work with when necessary. No other power surrounding them is remotely compatible at a cultural level.
Spending resources to do something that specifically disadvantages us is not smart and is political suicide.
So according to the article, these protesters were throwing stones, burning tires, and flying burning kites. IDF responds by firing into the crowd with live ammo. So in a situation that calls for nonlethal riot control tactics, the best option the IDF could come up with was deadly force? And the person the sniper takes out is a paramedic? It's hardly a wonder the Palestinians hate Israelis.
These conflicts end up with a great deal of blood spilled by both sides, but it's always the side with the greater military power judged for their conduct. And Israel's conduct has been pretty fucking disgusting. Stealing land, building illegal settlements, pushing Palestinians into ghettos while razing their homes and businesses... Bibi ought to hang.
How about drop the realpolitik bullshit if it involves throwing millions under the bus to bolster our military industrial complex
Israel is justified in taking military action against a hostile insurgency that threatens it's security with indirect fire attacks. It is NOT justified to commit war crimes by killing an unarmed non-combatant.
Also people basically doing the whole "the jews did this" are morons. The entire jewish population didn't do this, the government of Israel and it's military did this.
I don't really care to debate the morality of the rest of your post because that's up for debate, but I did want to point this part out. This is a valid excuse for the United States, and of course Palestinian lives are of lesser importance than American or American-ally lives. So if an action is a benefit to the American people, but an unfortunate downside to a foreign people then it should be pretty clear what side America is going to/should pick.
To be honest this is not surprising at all. Its Israel mentality that was kept hidden showing itself.
Israeli parliament member and law-maker Ayelet Shaked used to say mother of Palestinians also should be killed, not just the fighter.
"Behind every terrorist stand dozens of men and women, without whom he could not engage in terrorism. They are all enemy combatants, and their blood shall be on all their heads. Now this also includes the mothers of the martyrs, who send them to hell with flowers and kisses. They should follow their sons, nothing would be more just. They should go, as should the physical homes in which they raised the snakes. Otherwise, more little snakes will be raised there."
"They have to die and their houses should be demolished so that they cannot bear any more terrorists," said Shaked. Standing behind the operations on Gaza, "they are all our enemies and their blood should be on our hands. This also applies to the mothers of the dead terrorists," Shaked added.
Mothers of all Palestinians must be killed
'Mothers of all Palestinians should also be killed,' says Israel..
Isn't killing medics literally a war crime?
It depends on whether the medics are easily recognizable as such, of course.
Yes, if the the person shooting at the medic is aware they are shooting a medic, the medic is clearly marked as such, and the medic makes no attempt to use weapons in self defense, then it is a war crime to shoot a medic.
That or maybe its your regular corrupt government situation that happened a billion times before throughout human history.
Meanwhile the Nazis built a system of systematic Genocide. That wiped out 17 million people, 6 million that were jewish people. Comeback to me when Israel has concentration camps along the countryside and mass graves filled with the bodies of tens of thousands of innocents butchered like livestock.
I know Israel has done some stupid/bad shit. But comparing this shit and saying its like the Nazis completely downplays the severity of the Nazi Regime and their Genocide against the Jews, Slavs, Polish, and the Romani. Half the reason why people want to compare them to the Nazis is to get the "Irony points".
It is technically only a violation of the conventions if the enemy is adhering to the conventions. Nobody would sign the conventions if they had to unilaterally put up with their restrictions.
Generally today we adhere to them either way, but having the condition that the other side also play by the rules is how they got so many signatory nations.
Not to mention the almost complete lack of a racial/ethnic superiority in the ideology driving the actions of either the executive branches of government or the military leadership (not that there weren't people pretty much doing that, but these were thankfully forced out and condemned by both leadership and most of society) and plans for the specific destruction of populations (not that very similar things might result from some government and military actions, but these are still not the main focus and reason for said actions).
There are legitimate people and groups to criticize for promoting what is essentially a kind of "Judeo-nazism", but to just attribute all these actions to monolithic socio-political entities is to fail to properly address them. Making hyperbolic comparisons (as opposed to pinpoint, hard-to-dismiss direct ones) actually does more to service the kind of people who eventually thrive in this environment where they can redirect fear of persecution and perceived international hostility for political and social power over here.
There is no question actions such as these should be investigated and the parties to blame to be properly dealt with.
What? How did you get support for the military industrial complex out of my post? I'd prefer we strip at least half the military's funding and invest it domestically. Fuck the military. We live in a geographic fortress in a world that lacks the hardware to launch the sort of invasion a military is designed to prevent. They are almost exclusively a force used for imperialist ends.
Assuming nations will act altruistically is going to lead to a lot of disappointment.
Not that I disagree with wanting better from our government. I do not agree with placing our soldiers on the line and expending our resources to support factions that will almost undoubtedly turn on is the moment they can.
There is nothing wrong with acknowledging the shitty situation while simultaneously realizing that it is not a good idea to get involved. :/
Oh, yeah I know I'm being very idealist. It just came across you defending the points of nationalism and nationhood that I detest. I'm pretty internationalist so the idea of power projection seems pointless to me since as you said, it is almost exclusively used for imperialistic gains. Sorry for misunderstanding.
Guys don't forget Israel is the victim here!! I'm not sure how but gosh darn it, quit this senseless anti-Semitism just because Israel keeps shooting medics that are trying to save other Palestinians that Israel keeps shooting...
Oh Wait..
I should probably rephrase that, I'm not saying the nazis didn't do terrible things, I'm saying that israel is doing villainous things
I'm sure some Israeli military source will explain that she was actually carrying an RPG and eating a baby when she was shot so its ok.
We still need to do something about it. Bop 'em over the bonce and remind them that Big Brother America isn't gonna put up with them sniping medics. They need us as much as we need them and we can leverage that to make them not be douchebags.
Can we please note that the only source cited for the story about the medic's death is the official Palestinian news agency?
She was a former member of Malaysian Humanitarian Care Berhad (MYCare), so they knew when she's dead.
https://www.nst.com.my/news/nation/2018/06/375936/ex-mycare-volunteer-killed-israeli-forces-near-gaza
I'm still waiting for someone to call the Canadian medic who was shot in the legs a liar, because according to his own version of the story, he knows how to perform his medical duties without inviting being shot and he wasn't doing anything that would deserve being shot, he was away from the wall helping wounded people. Never mind Hamas and Israel, I'm waiting for someone to stand up to my face and tell me my fellow countryman is a liar.
Israel has a problem with admitting when their guys get jumpy and shoot medics, it seems.
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