The David Cage Appreciation & Support Thread (Detroit: Become Human, Heavy Rain)
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Come in, come all! Whether you're here to enjoy a true cinematic™ experience on your PlayStation or to get some laughs at someone failing the most basic domestic tasks or to watch some incredibly awkward sex scene, come here and clap for one of the greatest visionaries in the video game industry, Hideo... I mean David Cage!
Seriously though. You probably know about how mean people can be to poor Dave, so this is the place to tell us about your own experience with these so-called interactive movies. This is where I'm putting all my hopes that we can have an intelligent discussion about these games without having people throwing vapid accusations every two minutes.
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David Cage's games are not without flaws, and neither is he; far from it.
But there are a few things you should understand before you start talking about how Cage is a massive pervert or "belongs in a cage".
1° The recurrence of shower or rape scenes featuring female characters is troubling, but he didn't invent them; not even in video gaming. If you think it's gratuitous nudity, you may be right but you should also know that male characters in his game get a similar treatment, though to a lesser extent (most of the time). Similarly, accusations of misogyny don't make much sense since the female heroes of the games are "action girls" and strong-headed.
2° Accusations of racism have no tangible evidence to support them. Oh some black characters are cliché? Almost all of David Cage's characters are cliché.
3° "David Cage's games suck because they lack subtlety and depth." That's because they're supposed to be mainstream and accessible, but that doesn't make them outright dumb. There are many plotholes and inconsistencies, I'll give you that. But if you want to enjoy those games, you're not supposed to think too hard.
In conclusion: you have the right to complain about Cage or his games, but do it in a civil manner. If you're just here to start trouble, you're gonna have to go through me.
The Games He Made (in reverse order)
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Detroit: Become Human (a.k.a. Blade Runner 1863) (2018)
David Cage's new attempt at a full sci-fi setting since Omikron, 20 years ago. Honestly, it's easily one of his best games, though it remains a David Cage game with all the issues that entails. Except there's no shower or rape scene! I couldn't believe it myself. Oh yeah, the story? Well, something about Blade Runner, something about I, Robot, something about WestWorld... You get the idea.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/d/da/Beyond_Two_Souls_final_cover.jpg/220px-Beyond_Two_Souls_final_cover.jpg
Beyond: Two Souls (a.k.a. that game you probably heard about for all the wrong reasons) (2013)
The Holy Bible of David Cage haters. It has everything Cage is known and despised for in the worst representation possible. The game gets slightly better if you close your eyes and imagine this is just a bunch of random set pieces starring psychic Ellen Page.
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Heavy Rain (a.k.a. Shaaauuuuun) (2010)
A dark thriller story somehow inspired by David Fincher's Se7en. Probably Cage's best-known and most appreciated work up to now, thanks to its fantastic atmosphere and the many different endings to a plot featuring a vast amount of good and evil characters chasing or obstructing the path to an elusive serial killer. Heavily recommended.
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Fahrenheit / Indigo Prophecy (a.k.a. that game that everyone hated when they got to the last third) (2005)
Would you like some more of that dark, urban, "Fincher-like" atmosphere also featuring a police investigation around some disturbing murders? There you go, sir. Hmm? What was that? Did someone say something about fighting ancient Mayan gods in Matrix style? Must have been my imagination.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/59/Omikron_-_The_Nomad_Soul_Coverart.jpg
Omikron: The Nomad Soul (a.k.a. that game with David Bowie) (1999)
Yeah, it has David Bowie in it. Sci-fi adventure game taking some influence from The Fifth Element, erm... I think. Someone help me with this one, I haven't really played it. I just know that it's the least cinematic game out of all these, but for its time, it was damn impressive already.
The Games He Wished He Had Made
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Until Dawn (a.k.a. that David Cage game without David Cage, is it finally good?) (2015)
So you like Evil Dead, huh? And Rami Malek? Okay, I'll admit it, this is like the only game here that actually subverts your expectations. Good job, you.
I'd love to know more games that "David Cage wished he had made" so if you have any, please share.
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Please be considerate for the people who enjoy any or all of these games, ironically or not. Thank you.
https://youtu.be/NjJHfjFa1CI?t=11
Thanks David Cage
All memes aside, Detroit is probably one of the better games written by him in my opinion.
This thread exists because I started playing it today and it was like a new Heavy Rain for me. I got immersed in it almost instantly. The writing is not the best as always but goddamn is David Cage good at setting an atmosphere.
I can confirm that playing Fahrenheit/Indigo Prophecy till the very end is akin to a deep mystical experience.
When a player will reach that point in the plot progression he/she'll soon cease his/her feeble attempt to rationalize everything and directly acess Nirvana
Detroit is the first David Cage game I want to buy just to see how different things can get. His other games didn't really have divergence which interested me, and Beyond basically spent the whole game doing its best to undermine the player's choices.
Honestly I think that David Cage should drop the faux-philosophical story telling and just make a full on detective investigation game. The FBI Man (aka Norman Jayden) parts of Heavy Rain and the Connor parts of Detroit (in what I've seen) are by far the best parts of his games.
I got Platinum on Heavy Rain before I sold it off. I won't say I didn't enjoy it, it was an interestingly presented game but I can't see it as much more due to the serious plot holes and leaps of logic you need to make for things to make sense. Nahman Jayden is still a bro, though, and Scott Shelby's introduction is so fucking solid.
Played Fahrenheit as a kid, let's just say "holy cow" and leave it at that.
Detroit actually looks great at least Connor & Hank. I've been following the SBFP playthrough. I may get the game myself, as I hear things can actually vary quite majorly between playthroughs.
Beyond Two Souls I never played, only watched SBFP... I've no desire to play it after that. I still got it for free though PlayStation Plus.
One thing can be said for sure about David Cage... He is certainly an auteur, for better or worse.
I hope he keeps making games. Both for watching them crash and burn, laugh at the insanity, and for the potential that he will rise above and make something fantastic. Because there is certainly potential.
Scott Shelby being the Origami Killer presents more holes than Swiss cheese. I get the impression that Cage came up with it towards the end but didn't wanna bother with putting in clues.
Fahrenheit is such a cool game, it's a gigantic shame it makes literally no sense.
so do all david cage games take place in the same universe?
is there a dccu???? (david cage cinematic universe)
Detroit and Heavy Rain most likely take place in the same universe, just 28 years apart assuming Heavy Rain takes place in 2010.
Beyond and Fanerheit/Indigo Prophecy are explicitly in their own unique universes.
Omikron is in every universe, not just David Cage games. Including real life.
Just beat Detroit last night and I gotta say, it actually felt like an amazing journey where choices have weight. Most of these games just end with a character death or have a handful of endings like GOOD/BAD/ALRIGHT I GUESS endings but it feels like I could ask anyone else who's played the game about how theirs was and it'd be different.
Hanks characterisation is some of the best ive ever seen too.
Except Beyond has a newspaper at one point referencing the Origami Killer.
https://youtu.be/VL3_Hu6nHRU
the thread's theme song
I just realized that there is a shower scene in Detroit. But David Cage really plays with your expectations since it's about an old, fat guy being pushed into a cold shower to sober up. I seriously wonder if that was on purpose.
honestly im a fan of detroit so far, hope it stays good
If they do, it's a damn shame Agent Nahman Jayden doesn't make an appearance
Having Mr Krabs voice the detective was the greatest choice made
You didn't think that was sexy?
beat beyond two souls yesterday, first david cage game i've ever touched thanks to ps+
for the final choice at the end I chose to go beyond and I feel cheated . the game showed that I would be with aiden, my mom, and the indian dad and grandma that died in my game, but I just spend eternity floating around as nothing? If I had known that I would have chosen to stay in the real world with the CIA guy that is very clearly a david cage self-insert.
speaking of CIA man, the game did a really bad job making me care about him and believing that he was important to Jodie. all the two did together was go on a mission and one quick """date"""
Detroit may be as subtle as a train derailing off a bridge, but I'm actually enjoying it so far. I've rolled my eyes plenty but I'm enjoying it.
Ended up beating it last night, honestly I really enjoyed it
It's pretty amazing how the sunglasses VR desk thing is almost entirely possible today.
*haaaaaang it up*
Beyond has one reference to Heavy Rain, Detroit has entire locations lifted from it. The house Kara 'lives' in is Ethan's house from Heavy Rain, and the whole neighbourhood was remade, and the police station is the exact same police station.
The fact that David Bowie made the entire soundtrack for this game has always been immensely bizarre to me. A lot of it is genuinely cool and a few songs were deemed good enough to make it onto his 1999 studio album "...Hours".
I actually really like that song in particular, especially when the distorted vocals come in.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbpNLQLiYyw
I haven't bought the game yet but I've been watching the best friends playthrough of Detroit and I'm actually genuinely enjoying it it's been really interesting so far.
Is it an Indigo Prophecy thing where it gets super stupid at the end or is it consistently good(well aside from some really dumb shit but that's surprisingly minor so far)? I'm actually considering picking it up.
I had noticed that too, but I thought that was just re-using assets. Heavy Rain is supposed to take place in Philadelphia, not Detroit.
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