Holstered Pistol Discharges…Negligent or Accident? - General

http://cdn0.thetruthaboutguns.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/BVidGlock43.mp4?_=1 posted here We’re told that the gun in question was a GLOCK 43. The holster was a GCode INCOG. The bullet penetrated the carrier’s groin in a through-and-through wound and he is reported to be in stable condition. This is why you don't play with guns lmao Whats even WORSE is after doing this the dude threw the gun (live) out of his pants. He shouldn't be allowed near guns.

Accident through negligence, or a serious production error on Glock's part. Glocks have the safety in the trigger so the trigger is unable to be pulled unless a firm, even pressure is applied pretty much all across it, so either he got something (shirt, maybe?) seriously tugged into the trigger which would be negligence on his part for not holstering it properly but the firing itself would be an accident, or the Glock's sole safety-mechanism somehow failed which would make it entirely an accident. Throwing the live gun is entirely understandable in the situation of just getting to the injury as fast as possible, and unless the Glock in question is seriously faulty, the throw is also entirely safe (although still sorta stupid) to do.

Is it normal to wear holsters over your crotch like that?

He pulls his shirt up and away from the holster/gun so I doubt his shirt got caught. Sounds like the holster fucked up in some way

I'm doubting it too, but it is one of the two possibilities in play here. Maybe he's done some shit to the trigger to disable the Glock's safety mechanism or something in the striker mechanism is modded/worn/broken. Assuming the Glock isn't faulty, though, the throw to the floor is entirely safe and just kinda disadvisable for the same reason you shouldn't toss around most stuff.

Fairly normal. Inside waistband carry is a popular way to carry these days as it doesn't require heavy clothes to conceal.

It happened as he leaned over to grab something. There must have been something stuck between the holster and the trigger.

While one should ideally be more mindful when holstering a gun it's easy to understand how slip ups like this happen. NDs of this kind are not possible with guns that have a manual safety and have the safety engaged. The Glock's trigger "safety" (which frankly barely qualifies as a safety imo - I still think it's just to get around laws requiring guns to be equipped with safeties) is extremely susceptible to this.

To be fair it's a little hard to think clearly after you've been shot in the dick

i was just cringing the whole time waiting for it to fire... why didn't he engage the safety?

Only an idiot carries a Glock with a round in the chamber. If you need a gun operating the slide while drawing the gun isn't going to slow you down enough in any situation where producing a gun from concealment in your pants isn't already a fucking situationally retarded idea.

Pro-tip: Do not listen to this guy.

His selection of firearm was pretty terrible for the intended purpose then. If the manual safety is awful and you're putting the gun in a place that'll naturally get contorted a lot when doing any sort of motion besides walking in a straight line then you should pick a better gun that's less susceptible to having the safety get flipped by simply moving around.

That's what I'm saying. The Glock doesn't have a manual safety. It's embedded in the trigger, so the safety is tripped when you pull the trigger and engaged when you let go.

Pro tip: listen to this guy if you like shooting the tip off your dick with your Glock because it has manual safety lol.

Probably some of his clothing got caught between the holster and the trigger, and when he bent over, it gave enough tug on the trigger to fire. It's usually a bad idea to chamber a round within a holster, but then again the glocks, among other similar designs can fuck up like that.

while I agree having it chambered without a safety sounds like a bad idea, even I can see that having to chamber a round is a huge difference in response time honestly it's really easy to imagine a situation where that extra second will be the difference between life and death, and if you're gonna carry a gun around all the time, you'd damn well want it to be ready and effective in the extremely rare event that you actually need to use it

it always amazes me seeing people getting shot, especially in the groin and still being able to function. like if i got shot i'd be on the floor crying like a bitch.

I've never heard a yell more appropriate to being shot in the dick.

You might not have an opportunity to even draw the gun in a self-defense situation, let alone racking the slide. Just don't be a fucking idiot and you won't shoot yourself in the dick.

Adrenaline is an amazing and horrifying chemical. It keeps you alive and functioning for quite some time, even after a fatal wound. His next 3 months(minimum) are going to be hell though. Hopefully it was just a flesh wound and nothing got permanently wrecked.

Only an idiot carries a Glock 34 without a round in the chamber. Because the Glock 34 is a garbage pistol which for some ridiculous reason only holds 6 rounds, so that 7th in the chamber really does a lot for making you marginally more effective than a bargain-bin revolver.

You technically have a safety on the gun, as long as it doesn't engage which it shouldn't unless something is putting pressure on it. Situations like this are rare. If you are going to carry and not have a round in the chamber you may as well leave your gun at home. Let me ask you this, seeing you are trying to be smug. In the event of an active shooter and you get hit in the arm, how are you going to rack your slide? Can you operate a firearm one-handed? What if you get shot in dominate hand/arm? Can you operate with the other hand/arm? What if you are in a situation in which you cannot manipulate the gun to rack the slide, Let alone barely draw? AD/ND have been happening way before striker fire weapons, it is nothing new and this situation isn't gonna be the last one. It's called not being a idiot and utilizing a good holster that fits the weapon. Any holster that presses the trigger regardless of mechanism style is a bad holster. ND/AD like this are super rare and most of ND/AD come from idiots firing a weapon which they think is empty.

Depending on what Gen that Glock is how did the Safe Action not stop that?

Doesn't take long to rack a round. This guy is in a shop by the look of it. I doubt he'd have trouble racking a round.

When you carry in a manner that puts your balls in the line of fire, boy you sure deserve that newfound sterility.

that split second is all it takes for the other person to get a shot in on you though

In the event of an active shooter and one gets hit in the arm. Okay lol, so lets look at your absurdly specific hypothetical in detail here. You've already been shot in the arm, meaning the shooter already at this moment has their sights trained on you. You haven't specified what weapon they have, ergo we'll assume it's a 9mm, though it could be a rifle or a .45 handgun, we'll make it a 9mm handgun for simplicity sake for engagement distance. They have their sights already trained on you, so your questions here are already the wrong questions. It doesn't matter if you can operate the slide 1-handed, doesn't matter what arm, doesn't matter if you had one in the chamber or not. You've got 2 options, but to make it easy we'll first assume you had one in the chamber because that's what you suppose is objectively the right call here: 1.become the fastest draw in the West and one handed shoot the guy like a Clint Eastwood film, you have 7 rounds in a Glock 43, and you're going to need to out shoot in a split second someone who already has their sights trained on you. 2.Seek cover and wait for them to either get closer to make your limited shots and gimped 1-handed accuracy count, or hopefully they'll not target you further, and you can get into a better position than you are currently in. This option is statistically your better option in most situations, because I honestly doubt just about anyone is the fastest draw in the west, especially after already being shot. As for operating the slide one handed, you could brace your arm at the elbow into your side/hip and use your good arm to operate the slide, a g43 has a really easy slide to handle, this would be trivial for the most part assuming you were shot in the upper arm, which is likely since the shooter is probably aiming for the chest/head. This either way limits you to one option: Seek cover. The objectively better option from before. If your best and only option is to be the fastest gun in the west you may as well be already fucking dead. Objectively though a g43 is a terrible fucking gun to have in this weird situation of yours, you have only 6-7 rounds max, technically with a different mag plate you can have 7 in the mag. Is 7 rounds enough? Not if you're going to be dirty harry and try to hip shot/one hand the gun after being shot. Let me ask you thin since you're trying to be smug, what would you propose someone do in that situation? Because seriously you're going to try to tell me that if you're already going to be operating the gun one handed you're better off trying to just stand in the open, in a position that is already compromised? Just because it means you can put 6-8 bullets back down range? What do you propose this hypothetical person do after that lol? Just throw the gun at them?

You missed the entire point, Good job. The point is, trying to draw, racking the slide, and aiming isn't as practical or easy as you make it out to be. Which is ironic because you're whole argument against some of my comments is how unpractical they are. Relying on the ideal that you will be able to operate a firearm with two hands is a mistake, when you can easily be in a situation which restricts your mobility. The fact you fixate on the active shooter comment only proves this, I asked what happens if you got shot in the arm/hand and you don't have a round chambered. We don't need a whole paragraph of your tactical assessment of a completely fictional situation. The response is, you are not gonna do anything effective (IE Return fire). I never claimed anyone was the "Fastest hand in the west" nor did I say anyone is a "Super hero". So again good job for making up arguments. The point is, majority of CC/LTC/CHL holders do not practice for these scenarios. The majority of people do not practice with the non-dominate hand or practice one handed reloads. However, to respond to your question - if the weapon is fully loaded you have a greater chance of defending yourself. Which is better then getting shot, not being able to operate your firearm, which completely invalidates the reason why people conceal carry to begin with. For self-defense, if you are to uncomfortable or incompetent to carry a fully-loaded weapon you should not be carrying to begin with. Find a weapon that suits your needs, utilize the proper gear to carry, practice regularly, and everything will be fine. You get way caught up on weapon type and amount of rounds you can carry at once. You do not need 17+1 rounds to take someone down or defend yourself. If you are not gonna hit anything the first few rounds you're likely not to hit shit at all. Many people use revolvers for CC and some still use them for duty gear (Security, etc) and manage just fine. Most Sub-compacts carry a very limited amount of rounds. I'm not getting into a hour long gun battle, I only need a firearm and a limited amount of rounds for self-defense. Firearms are a deterrent and a last-resort.

The reason for having multiple rounds is that you will miss. When you have adrenaline pumping and you go oh shit draw and fire you aren't going to remain rational and go "I have 5 rounds left, 4 now, 3 now". You're going to pull that trigger until your magazine is empty. Which is why current self defense has moved away from having 7 well placed rounds to having as many rounds as possible because you are going to miss and the size of handgun rounds doesn't tend to matter as much. Also most sub-compacts sacrifice number of rounds for concealment, if you could fit 17 rounds into a sub-compact you can bet manufacturers would be. Firearms are a deterrent and last-resort, but you sure as hell don't want to be in a situation and go oh shit I need to reload when the threat is still active.