Morrissey endorses far-right anti-Islam political party 'For Britain'
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http://www.nme.com/news/music/morrissey-elaborates-support-britain-party-says-media-treatment-tommy-robinson-shameful-2333438
I have been following a new party called For Britain which is led by Anne Marie Waters. It is the first time in my life that I will vote for a political party. Finally I have hope. I find the Tory-Labour-Tory-Labour constant switching to be pointless. For Britain has received no media support and have even been dismissed with the usual childish 'racist' accusation. I don't think the word 'racist' has any meaning any more, other than to say "you don't agree with me, so you're a racist." People can be utterly, utterly stupid.
Anne Marie Waters seeks open discussion about all aspects of modern Britain, whereas other parties will not allow diverse opinion. She is like a humane version of Thatcher ... if such a concept could be. She is absolute leadership, she doesn't read from a script, she believes in British heritage, freedom of speech, and she wants everyone in the UK to live under the same law. I find this compelling, now, because it's very obvious that Labour or the Tories do not believe in free speech... I mean, look at the shocking treatment of Tommy Robinson...
I know the media don't want Anne Marie Waters and they try to smear her, but they are wrong and they should give her a chance, and they should stop accusing people who want open debate as being 'racist'. As I said previously, the left has become right-wing and the right-wing has become left - a complete switch, and this is a very unhappy modern Britain.
[note: For Britain is a party to the distant right of UKIP, its main policy is to crackdown on Muslims]
Not sure if this makes Morrisey or For Britain look worse.
Oh boy. So, US Republicans?
Well, for super far-right faction of party, but also combining elements from most all unelected far-right parties like American Nazi Party.
Less votes for UKIP in a fptp government with no chance of this party ever gaining ground with the average citizen? ok.
It may win least one or two local elections seats in parliamentary democratic monarchy. After that they will disappeared in next few years.
>“For Britain has received no media support and have even been dismissed with the usual childish ‘racist’ accusation. I don’t think the word ‘racist’ has any meaning any more, other than to say “you don’t agree with me, so you’re a racist.”
I find it funny how defensive racists get about being called out for what they are.
This mentality is why the far right is rising
"Mexicans are all rapist and thieves and black people are lazy subhuman"
"fuck off racist"
"WOW THIS IS WHY TRUMP WON"
And this attitude is why I'm staying left
Also the left of centre parties have struggled to make themselves accessible and important to the average person. Also the right sells comforting lies, routinely.
It's why the far right has claimed to have been rising for 150 years, but it never actually has been.
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Are you sure it's his mentality and not the overabundance of stupid fucking people who's lives are so miserable and aimless that they have to invest their persona in nationalist sentiment in blaming brown people for all their ills while subscribing to unhinged theories about globalism the Deep State when their messiah's end up being utterly incompetent at actual governance.
What a dumb meme. Coddling the far-right, as if they could do no wrong and had no responsibility, and only holding the people who react to them accountable, is what gave them an opening. Because it easily drags knee-jerk contrarians like yourself into a position where you can feel high and mighty, as if you were seeing a truth no one else sees. Yeah, I get it, feeling persecuted might radicals to further entrench themselves in their positions, and that should be a real worry for everyone who wants to put a stop to the far-right. But there's a limit, my dude, and you cross it when you start treating them as some unstoppable force of nature, and erase all responsibility they may have for the politics they pursue.
This single statement here is why the far right is attractive
It is the first time in my life that I will vote for a political party.
Politically disaffected people who have never once participated, or were heavily invested in, the existing political structures see someone as an outside and believe that they must be better than the current options. The far right preys on fear, ignorance, and insecurity. Ascribing higher designs to why they are rising or going so far as to blame the left (really the neoliberal center) is nonsensical to the degree that I don't believe anyone who says it isn't trying to purposefully push an agenda.
Morrissey is still an absolute cunt who writes provocative non-articles about how he's the only sane man, I am not shocked.
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Frankly I just don't give a shit anymore. It's like I read a new story every day about a pro-Trump voting bloc being caught up in the collateral damage of his policies. The Carrier plant workers in Indiana, the farmers who find themselves embroiled in a trade war, the employees of Harley Davidson who were let go after the company received a massive tax break. If this guy promises you the world then turns around and gets you kicked out on your ass and you still vote for him because someone on the internet said mean things, or even something utterly benign like "thats racist" then there is no hope anymore and we are fucked anyway.
I don't think so, we've always had stupid people and frankly the left is pretty irrational as well. It's rising because we lubricate the faults of globalization and multiculturalism by calling everything reactionary, precluding a discussion on the topic and thus conceding the debate to dominant ideas closed spaces and the internet. If you purge an issue from the center as we have, the fringe will pick up on it, and they'll win because the issue isn't off the mark in the first place.
Unfortunately we find ourselves in a do-or-die scenario where we have to compromise our democratic values for the sake of stability during a transformational period. So yes, you can expect Trumps, Brexits, and dissent in countries like Poland, Hungary, and now Italy. The left has absolutely nothing to offer here, since the old left is dead, so people move right when faced with a lack of alternatives and precarious conditions for the country.
We are seeing a gap between what is good for long term growth and social health. So long as we try to repress it, which is the pathology at work in the person I quoted, then we will fail and liberal-democracy will not adapt to rapidly changing conditions like it should. And would, I would add, if pluralism of values wasn't under threat by, say, the circular logic of the above quoted poster.
just btw on this one the people who called For Britain racist (and Nazi's) were Henry Bolton and Nigel Farage, former UKIP leaders. If these people are calling you racist you are probably pretty fuckin racist.
I didn't say people weren't allowed to hold certain values, I said those values were dumb and electing people who purport to represent those values will backfire pretty much immediately. Something the quoted user would realize if he took the time to read the posts he was replying to instead of generating word salads to explain why really everyone who isn't far right should unilaterally drop opposition to their stupid values and maybe they will stop being reactionary racists.
Yup. As much as I despise Steve Bannon and Punchyface Spencer, they did sum up why the alt right exists pretty well. Bannon pointed out that it's very very easy to get reactionary disgruntled men behind your cause if you give them a scapegoat, and Spencer pointed out that the greatest generation is dying out so people are losing their personal connection to historical events like World War 2 and pre-Goldwater politics.
It's something I care about on a personal level - meaning, if I'm personally interacting with someone IRL who leans that way, I'll do my best to empathize and concede on worries that I think are fair (even if I then disagree with the approach to solving the problem). As far as the broader realm of political discussion is concerned, "you'll only make them more far-right!" is more of a tool to shield them from criticism than a serious issue
That old LBJ quote is still true today
“I’ll tell you what’s at the bottom of it,” he said. “If you can convince the lowest white man he’s better than the best colored man, he won’t notice you’re picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he’ll empty his pockets for you.”
I get you're angry, but I only replied to you since you're the only one to say anything remotely intelligent and more than one line. This is just a strawman and some words about how you don't like something.
I never said you're stopping anyone, you decided to step in after I pointed out the self-serving logic of the above poster is part of what enables a definition creep that directly affects the center-right's ability to propose moderate immigration reform measures, creating a boiling cauldron effect (particularly in a country without free speech like Britain). This is predictable, because when you give people the power of words in a skewed non-debate, human nature dictates its meaning becomes debased and just part of a power game. It's a social form of rent-seeking. That limits our adaptiveness by monopolizing the civil society that exists above you and I, and therefore heavily sways politics and mainstream culture ('political correctness'). When that happens, we fundamentally lack a strong popular mandate to govern since what the right and much of the masses are opposing is only being pushed through because of class inequality and social policing. This is despite us being an open society, so people lose faith in institutions, media, etc. and retreat to places like the internet. The destabilizing contradiction between that and our society says a lot about how power and interests warps the acceptable scope of discourse, by the way. It means a shrinking, more integrated world has harmed freedom.
We can see an example of this definition creep in the past with anti-communism. It's one of the reasons America is so economically liberal compared to Europe, which has obviously hurt us on issues like healthcare. We can also see it with left-wing use of 'reactionary', which lost its meaning well before any of us were born. The meaning of words matter, particularly powerful ones. Unfortunately, people are not responsible enough for them to not broaden in meaning over time as it's convenient.
That broadening meaning has come to color a modern idea of the historical mission of liberal-democracy, suggesting center-right ideas on something like immigration are beyond the pale despite being the norm only a couple generations ago. This means that when changes related to this mission (and us chasing eternal growth) worsen issues in a modern capitalist society, such as the market's erosion of artificial barriers causing loss of social cohesion and the overall influence of money in politics, people start refusing to square a circle and abandon the mission altogether.
Based on your comments about how stupid you think people are, I figure you're not in favor of any thawing on this issue. Like Democratic opposition, you seem to lack any introspection following these populist explosions. So like I said, this is why the far-right is rising and also the reason you will keep dealing with Trumps. The shrinking enthusiasm gap speaks for itself, yet we're only seeing the opposition dig their heels in the detachment and elitist scorn that had the blue wall go red with economic nationalism. The way the DACA debacle was handled, for example, was stupid. American dissatisfaction with immigration levels has constituted a majority for years, yet immigration reform is the hill to die on because #resistance, or something.
They're leaders of the party this one is split off from, and that party is tarred as racist as well.
@Tempcon LBJ was a man of his time. He might have been racist, but he still championed the legislation that ended the Jim Crow era. That article you seem to be basing your claim off of comes to the same conclusion. It's possible for people to know and do the right thing even when they don't always live up to it.
Never heard of this party. In a weird way if anything I guess it's good that more groups like this pop up because it keeps the far-right split up.
This mentality is the right mentality to have and the far right can eat a bowl of dick
People like Morrissey are a prime example of why we should detain british people without charge until we can be assured of the fact that they won't let absolute shit leak out of of their mouth.
I think LBJ was a sordid prick but his quote is comically apt. He also said some baffling shit like this:
[Gerald] Ford's economics are the worst thing that's happened to this country since pantyhose ruined finger-fucking.
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