Robert Mueller files witness tampering indictment against Paul Manafort
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https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/08/special-counsel-robert-mueller-files-new-indictment-against-paul-manafort-nbc-news.html
https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/08/politics/paul-manafort-indictment-robert-mueller/index.html
Check the super dry legalese here! Also tell me if you think embedding it is gross?
https://www.justice.gov/file/1070326/download
This is important because a senior member of the trump campaign (and someone that trump has known for decades) has been charged with conspiring with a member of the russian intelligence community, although it was for something that happened after the campaign was over.
Man torpedoes himself in the foot.
This time he's done for. No way he can escape from this net.
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Go ahead and call this a witch hunt, Trump, I dare you. This isn't news but it's a good reminder of how big these criminals who conspired with the President and his campaign are.
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Manafort and his Russian friend attempted to persuade two people to be uncooperative with investigators for five weeks, and apparently the messages were immediately turned over to the FBI by the witnesses.
I'd wonder if these two are not smart boys but then I remembered that Manafort got Rick Gates to doctor his tax forms for him, but in order to do that, he needed Gates to convert between PDF and Word, and then back, and every time the fraudulently modified documents changed hands it was by unencrypted email. These are not smart boys.
Yeah, Manafort was already out on bail so this is more than likely gonna have that revoked.
Breaking: Man escapes from net only to discover that net was caught in another, larger, net.
Leading physicists theorize there are at least five as-yet-unseen nets surrounding this one, as for several billion dollars in grant money.
I don't have a news article for this but
https://twitter.com/chrisinsilico/status/1005155607496810498
Glad they've finally indicted Kilimnik. He was just "Person A" in previous indictments - Manafort, Gates, van der Zwaan - and now he's finally been named in court documents. Hard to say it's just media speculation when he's indicted.
Kilimnik was a long-time collaborator of Manafort, and ran Manafort's Kiev consulting office personally. It's shocking how much of this shit goes all the way back to the Orange Revolution and Russia's astroturfing for Yanukovych. Kilimnik has ties to Rinat Akhmetshin, a former Soviet counter-intelligence officer and registered Russian lobbyist in the US who actively works in Washington DC and somehow got American citizenship. They worked together on publishing a book that disparaged Yanukovych's opponents - using Russian money - on US soil. If Akhmetshin sounds familiar, it's because he's one of the lobbyists who met with Trump and his campaign staff prior to the election.
There's no denying the Russian conspiracy at this point. Kilimnik, a former counter-intelligence officer, worked to destabilize Ukraine alongside Trump's former campaign manager and known pro-Russian lobbyist/consultant Paul Manafort, who volunteered without pay to join the Trump campaign. Previously, Manafort illegally worked alongside Russian sock-puppet Victor Yanukovych, with under the table pay stubs proving that as undeniable fact. Manafort's consulting agency has ties to innumerable Russian oligarchs, all with close ties to Putin. Rinat Akhmetshin, who worked alongside Kilimnik in the past, has actively lobbied against the Magnitsky Act and has been tied to dozens of distinct hacking events of various international organizations. Akhmetshin met with Dana Rohrabacher, California Republican, twice - once in Rohrabacher's personal office in 2016, and once in Berlin in 2017. Speaking of Rohrabacher, he's outspoken in his defense of Russia, even saying that he'd be down to reunify Alaska with Russia if Alaskans wanted to. He's fought against the Magnitsky Act. He's one of two people named in the infamous Paul Ryan "we're a family" thing, where another Republican congressman believed Rohrabacher and Trump were both on Putin's payroll.
Russia is actively trying to hijack the US government using the exact same tactics that they used in Ukraine - they're even using the same fucking people - Manafort, Kilimnik, all of them. Trump's a sock-puppet, like Yanukovych was. If they succeed this time around, and American citizens don't start our own Orange Revolution if (when) the elections are falsified, Russia will continue to solidify their power within American institutions, appointing sock-puppets to executive positions, crippling our cybersecurity operations, falsifying whole elections to selectively place pro-Russian assets in the legislature, and eventually gaining the political clout to neuter American military presence abroad. Their goal never stopped with getting Trump elected - their goal is to wrest control of US policy so that they can cripple NATO and Putin can follow his dreams of reconstructing the "true" Russian state, starting with Ukraine and crawling back across Eastern Europe. Russia trialed this tactic in Ukraine to stop the expansion of NATO and the EU, and it failed - so instead of trying to "expand" through sock-puppets like in Belarus and Kazakhstan, they're re-focusing their sock-puppets to first undermine NATO, and second to grab territory.
The world needs to delete Russia.
This whole thing has been such a spinning spiral of a mess lmao
Are there any good videos that can give me a really good summery of all of the events? Something neutral, I reaaally feel like I need a recap.
No tl;dr but actual videos
Keeping up with what's happening is almost impossible. Any video that anyone can link you would be like watching some 5-minute WatchMojo on Top 10 Game of Thrones Moments to try to get a better understanding of the political intrigue going on in the novels. You just have to read.
From a quick glance, this site seems to have a very well-cited overview of the major players in the investigations, plus other figures that link all the players together. Manafort's a web of fuckery, though. He's tied to Kilimnik through Yanukovych and Russian interference in Ukraine, he's tied to Roger Stone as a former business associate (and Stone is tied to Assange and Wikileaks), he's tied to Russian aluminimum baron Deripaska (as is Kilimnik) through Yanukovych and other business ventures (who in turn is tied to Putin directly), he's tied to Richard Gates as a former business associate (who flipped on him a while back), he's tied to Trump (as his fucking campaign manager). It's endless.
Just read up. It's absolutely insane how blatant these connections are if you read. Wikipedia's your friend, too. WaPo sometimes posts some visualizations, but they're inevitably limited to like 6-7 people when the real criminal network is 100+. The Moscow Project seems to have some shit, too.
In the end, there's no good summary. It's ongoing. It's blurred with speculation and missing details. Just read a fuckton and keep up to date, there's no other answer. Don't miss out on the single biggest political scandal/drama/intrigue of the last 50 years - probably more. This shit has ruined TV shows for me.
There was one google doc that a dude posted here on facepunch that they kept up to date with like every notable new story with the trump administration, it was nuts
Fuck me, looks like I'll have to wait until its over for documentaries, as well as just, read the headlines as they come in. Don't think I have the intellect to be following THIS LEVEL of shitstorm
Seth Abramsom does a good job of combining in-depth reporting with a high level of accessiblility. His Twitter threads are thoughtfully composed yet timely enough that you can still stay on top of developing stories. At a glance it may seem naive to put your faith in one of a seemingly infinite number of political commentators on twitter, but he’s carved out a niche for himself and he excels at connecting the (many) dots in the Russia investigation.
Anything by Matt Taibbi and Nathan J. Robinson will also be worth your time.
While Seth Abarmson is quite good at covering the ongoing developments, he also has a habit of jumping to conclusions and using a lot of hyberpolic language which can be misleading. I'd take everything he says with a grain of salt. He also skips a lot of crucial details and context in an effort to make large sweeping statements and generalizations, which while making it easier to read are often imprecise and inaccurate. He claims to be able to read between the lines and see things other people cannot. This stems from his philosophical underpinning, which he calls metamodernism. It's supposed to be a way of understanding the world of semi-ironic language (i.e. memespeak), which you see often employed by the alt-right and other recent cultural movements. But it often just results in taking rumours and spinning them as if they're absolute fact.
This article kind of explains his whole deal and philosophy: https://www.chronicle.com/article/What-Is-Seth-Abramson-Trying/240071. And this much more negative take shows how he takes unverified hearsay and runs with it as if it's fact: https://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2017/04/stop-listening-to-seth-abramson-on-donald-trumps-r.html
Seeing someone else actually remember that I posted that and chose to re-post it on Newpunch makes me happy. Makes me want to continue to keep updating it.
you would think something like this would have much more media coverage than it has, considering it's a right old bastard going straight to jail.
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