Trump Administration Launches Denaturalization Effort to Strip Citizenship - Polidicks

Trump administration launches denaturalization effort to strip c.. Quote from the article: "The Trump administration is not only doing everything it can to discourage immigration of all sorts, it intends to launch an effort to identify naturalized American citizens it believes cheated the naturalization process and strip them of their American citizenship. The extraordinary process of denaturalizing an American citizen has occurred very rarely, with the Justice Department filing an estimated 300 civil denaturalization cases since 1990. U.S" I'm sure this will turn out fine.

what the fuck does this even mean, "cheated the process" if they made it through the fucking process, don't take that shit away from them, goddamn

Part of me wants to say this is what the second amendment is for.

The second amendment doesn't cover defending yourself from your own government.

The "theory" is that this is to take citizenship away from those who "cheated" the citizenship process. So not law abiding citizens. It's perfectly reasonable to think that's not how it will turn out in practice though.

Arbitrarily revoking citizenship is one of the tyrannies that triggered the Revolution. The Second Amendment was intended as a failsafe. This is frighteningly close to causing legitimate invocations of it. If that was the only concern this initiative would have started a long time ago.

So how long until we stop pretending this has anything to do with illegal immigration and move straight to concentration camps for brown people?

This is going to be like that voter fraud commission, just a waste of time and money that finds nothing. While there is certainly a legitimate government interest in not allowing people into the country under assumed identities—previously this effort targeted literal Nazis and suspected war criminals trying to escape prosecution under assumed identities—the potential for the effort to be used as a means of intimidation and to find small discrepancies or errors in an individual’s naturalization paperwork is problematic. Nice going trumples.

You'd have to be pretty dense to not have seen that from the very beginning. Of course, the majority of people are pretty goddamn dense.

I guess trump came up with his own solution for DACA and The Dreamers.

That, or a large part of his voterbase loves the idea of making America an anglo-saxon ethnostate, despite refusing to admit it publicly.

Second amendment doesn't protect you if you aren't a citizen, so at least when they put you in a work camp or just gun you down in the street, you'll die knowing that no one's consititutional rights were violated.

we'll have to see who exactly trump and his friends consider to be "someone who cheated the system" his wording is so vague that i can see them applying it to literally anyone. gives his gestapo more reason to tear families apart im sure.

Given how he pardoned Arpaio, and is having ICE separate children from their parents... "I can finally prove Barack Obama doesn't have real citizenship! By revoking it!"

That title chops of the end Trump Administration Launches Denaturalization Effort to Strip Citizenship From Those Suspected of Naturalization Irregularities sounds way worse without that last bit also here's another source, I know people don't trust Slate https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/trump-administration-launches-bid-catch-citizenship-cheaters-n882166

But whats preventing the system of 'stopping abuse' from being abused

So, they can do it to anyone they suspect? Not even proven, but suspect?

"how dare you spout disapproval of our great administration -- y'know what, we suspect you may have naturalization irregularities, so you're no longer a citizen " "... I was born here. In the state of Maine. How do I have irreg-" "nopenope shh, you're no longer a citizen, get out "

That this is becoming even more relevant is incredibly disconcerting...

Cissna said his agency is hiring several dozen lawyers and immigration officers to review cases of suspected fraud. “We finally have a process in place to get to the bottom of all these bad cases and start denaturalizing people who should not have been naturalized in the first place,” Cissna said. “What we’re looking at, when you boil it all down, is potentially a few thousand cases.” There's absolutely nothing wrong with this, as someone who has gone through immigration process which is extremely difficult and expensive, there's nothing wrong with looking at cases that are suspect of fraud and/or lying on their applications to gain citizenship and revoking them if necessary this is no different from being denied citizenship if you get caught doing the same thing before being granted your green card or citizenship.

There must be a Rambo clause in there somewhere

Grenadiac, you are one of the few few folk I've seen who actually understood stand "gun rights" in terms of laws, logic, and morality, so I understand where you are coming from. However the unfortunate truth is that a massive portion of the "second amendment" crowd would gladly support these actions because it falls into their twisted worldviews.

I agree and that is deeply shit. It's extremely frustrating. This is tyranny and the second amendment was made as the ultimate failsafe against tyranny. There are still proceedings ongoing to resolve this civilly but I fear if it boils over and comes to blows the only sect of the American people capable of putting an end to it will be sitting on the sidelines cheering him on.

yeah why people aren't completely up in arms about this is beyond me. History definitely rhyming with itself

Welcome to the incredible power of cult worship. It has the fascinating ability to switch off critical thinking in the brain, and cognitive dissonance ceases to be a concern and instead becomes a constant presence.

We can thank the DNC for making gun confiscation a big part of their platform and turning it into a partisan issue. What did people expect would happen when people are basically forced into supporting a giant GOP shill group like the NRA? Their political stances are absolutely terrible, but they’re one of the only political groups who aren’t outright attacking gun owners for existing. Why would any gun owner emphasize with DNC politicians when all they do is spend considerable time and political capitol to attack you, rather than actually trying to come up with any half decent long term goals and solutions? Actually it’s not just related to guns either, it happens with EVERYTHING they try to promote. Let’s go back to illegal immigration for example. Some people have valid concerns about the huge amount of undocumented persons coming into the country. “Does the country have enough resources to support all these people if they cannot support themselves? Do they undergo any forms of background checks? How do we prevent violent criminals from being allowed in the country amongst all the other people?” Rather than saying anything like “we acknowledge your concerns and want to let you know how we plan on handling the situation by doing X”, it’s usually something antagonizing like “Are you a bigot who hates brown people?” or mislabeling moderates as alt right and then comparing them to white supremacists or neo nazis. And then on the other side with the GOP propaganda machine, you hear conservative media outlets fear mongering by making ignorant or objectivity false/misleading statements such as “the majority of illegal immigrants are violent criminals and repeat offenders!” It’s the exact same fear mongering bullshit as anything which involves the term “assault weapons”.

Please don't treat gun owners like weirdo automatons with no brains, don't rob them of their agency.

Why do i get the feeling in a few decades there's going to be some horror stories about abuse in these times.

No, I think you’re misconstruing my point, or only hearing what you want to hear instead of what I actually said. Ok maybe I communicated that poorly. What I was trying to point out was many gun owners are more likely to emphasize with a group like the NRA (which has aligned with the GOP lately) as opposed to the DNC (who support the Brady Campaign) because the DNC has made it their mission to shit on gun owners whenever possible. That doesn’t mean all gun owners are going to agree with everything the NRA does or supports. Some are even saying to ditch the NRA because of how terrible they are. It’s also a pretty widespread thing in gun channels for people to say “look we know the NRA has issues, but they’re our best bet to blocking any dumb anti gun legislation from being rammed through”. It’s a lot like the situation of “look we know the DNC is being absolute garbage, but there are no better alternatives because of the 2 party system”. Is that really much of a choice? Sure there’s other gun rights groups like GOA, but they don’t hold as much political weight at the moment, so for now I’d support both. Are you just going to ignore the point I was trying to make that people who legitimately have these questions get shouted down by others who cry bigotry/racism? Yes I acknowledge a large majority of undocumented people don’t commit crimes or cause problems, but it generally seems like many politicians are trying to pretend that letting millions of people in by intentionally failing to enforce current immigration laws will not have any negative consequences. The point I’m trying to make is some who may not fit the definition of “alt right hardline Trump supporter” may not agree with that policy. Imagine you’re someone who vehemently disagrees with 95% of the GOP’s platform (trickle down economics, abortion bans, anti gay marriage etc...), but a majority of people you know are fairly conservative or victims of pro Trump propaganda. More than likely they’re not going to make personal attacks at you for not agreeing on a certain topic, unless you make it a point to keep bringing it up or be confrontational about it. That’s the situation I’m in. Then when I try to point out that failing to emphasize with people or antagonizing them will not win you any support or compromise, you make a condescending remark about it and miss the point entirely. Thank you for demonstrating my point. Pretty much anyone who doesn’t feel compelled to take a hardline stance about every little thing their favorite political sports team decides to argue about. Things that generally don’t fit party lines like being socially liberal and fiscally conservative. Also people who don’t take extreme stances like white supremacy or “ban all abortions regardless of rape or incest” or “all cops are bad” or “there shouldn’t be ANY gun laws” etc... As for examples, wasn’t there a poll or news article somewhere which said a bunch republicans would have voted for Bernie Sanders over Hillary or Trump? I can’t find it at the moment.

I'm trying to understand what you're trying to say because obviously, I'm not you, I won't think like you. If I come off as a jerk, I apologize! I get sassy when I've been working all day.