"That's what happened before we chopped Americans into these different boxes and saying, I'm entitled to something because I'm part of this group."
that's rich coming from a republican
"Everything I disagree with is Un-American". It's like the US version of "You're talking down Britain because I think you're wrong"
Some quotes and my thoughts:
“In my view, the best way to bring diversity to the Republican Party is for Republicans to openly say that the whole idea of diversity is a bunch of crap and un-American,"
What the fuck does that even mean. He was to bring diversity by making everyone says it’s crap? Un-American? It’s like saying “let’s bring peace to the world by saying peace is crap and un-American”
“...the Constitution was designed to incorporate that idea of the Declaration of Independence that everybody is treated equally under the law. Now, what diversity has become, it's been an excuse by Democrats, communists and socialists, basically, to say that we're not all created equal, that some people, if he -- if somebody is lesser qualified, they will get a job anyway, or they'll get into college anyway because of the tribe that they're with, what group, what box they fit into."
Dong. -3 points for identity politics. However, you can kind of make out a point he’s trying to get across here. Let’s keep going.
“You know, women, African American, Hispanic; they're chopping us up in these different pieces and getting us fighting against each other instead of spending our time saying everybody should be judged by their own talent,”
Ok, this seems reasonable. Everyone has their own abilities, strengths, weaknesses; judge them based on that, not sex, gender, race, etc. Ok, good-
“Once we say that the Republicans want these traditional ways that made America great for all these years, then maybe African Americans would realize when we enforce our immigration laws, there will be more opportunity for Americans of all backgrounds.”
Wait, -1 point for MAGA reference. Also, what does that even mean, I don’t-
“When we talk about women saying, well, we need special care for child care, we need this credit and that credit, say, wait a minute, when America was great, one parent alone earned more than enough money to comfortably support a family," he continued. "That's what happened before we chopped Americans into these different boxes and saying, I'm entitled to something because I'm part of this group."
Ok, -10 for second MAGA reference. Also, no asshole, diversity and entitlement didn’t cause people to not be able to support their family, poverty did that. Fucking up the economy did that. Fucking up schools and social programs did that. -F, Grossman, get fucked by a rake.
So basically "lets bring back the days before republican economic policies crashed america."
I agree 100%
It's always the same with the Republicans.
They say some agreeable things, like "people should be judged by their skills instead of skin color" but they only do it when it's NOT white people getting the preferential treatment.
It's just a facade to hide their actual goal: reestablishing white supremacy.
"the Constitution was designed to incorporate that idea of the Declaration of Independence that everybody is treated equally under the law. Now, what diversity has become, it's been an excuse by Democrats, communists and socialists, basically, to say that we're not all created equal, that some people, if he -- if somebody is lesser qualified, they will get a job anyway, or they'll get into college anyway because of the tribe that they're with, what group, what box they fit into."
That's pretty mild, I'm surprised at the spin even for CNN.
Equity ideology can be seen as un-American. It's often anti-Western as well, and can be awfully illiberal. The whole point of the ideology is to deconstruct a democratic civil society and look at various components as locked in a struggle with each other, which entails viewing Western civilization as little different from others before it despite being liberal. It's not a free society, it's just a power structure built on crimes and ruling elites. The ideology, which dates back to the 90s but didn't take off because of the prosperity, is bearing fruit now that the middle class and its individualist civic identity is disappearing.
The entire point of equity ideology is to suppose that meritocratic hierarchy doesn't exist in a liberal and capitalist society, and neither does democracy. It's all a zero-sum power game of racialized classes and repressive family structures, with a top that disseminates ideology which serves as the logic of its rule, and disparities in outcome are due to systemic oppression that must be corrected with state intervention and same-group representation. That's why its adherents sneer at even classical liberalism, because their ideological lineage through intersectionality is derived from critical theory, cultural hegemony, and so on.
Peter Thiel is that you?
I have no idea what the fuck you even just said but it sounds like bullshit
I think what you're trying to say is that "diversity" has become a political weapon rather than serving its intended purpose i.e. ensuring a robust variety of perspectives, and to a certain extent you're right (politicians suck, what a surprise) but if you're looking at what this GOP fuckwit says and you think he's making some sort of "mild" meta-modernist critique of the liberal world order rather than just being an ignorant racist cunt you might want to pull your head out of your thesaurus and take a look around, because there's literally no reason to oppose diversity unless it threatens your stranglehold on political power.
This is correct, we should start banning conservatives from existence, they are a minority in a largely liberal nation.
Forum poster says GOP congressional candidate is a bunch of crap and un-American.
The 2nd district of New Jersey is my district.
We're probably the reddest zone in the state, so I would not be surprised if this guy does get elected. This area is pretty much the only conservative region of New Jersey.
America was founded on the principle of disparate peoples coming together and forming a country. Nothing could be more American than diversity.
Yeah, but that doesn't justify my being racist so it's totally un-American!!!
There is a point to be made between diversity as it's defined -- a mix of perspectives to provide a balanced view on things -- and diversity as it is increasingly being used as a political weapon to silence people you disagree with.
But diversity itself is still important.
Diversity is the most American thing ever. Cmon dude.
What's more un-Amarican than unilaterally denouncing something America has always striven to be?
america is a literal melting pot
the entire point of america is diversity
My single biggest problem with the "diversity" talk around the country is that it is almost always referring to diversity of skin color, gender, etc. as opposed to diversity of ideas. University and companies tought how many minorities they have or how many women they have, but they never even mention whether those people all hold the exact same ideology on everything.
A room of Harvard women's studies graduates who all have different skin colors is going to be FAR less relevantly diverse than a group of people with the same skin color who have extremely differing backgrounds.
No, what I'm saying is meritocracy is preferable to equity and assimilation is preferable to diversity for its own sake. Both statements are far more consistent with American traditions and liberal values, which is why this candidate is to some degree correct to state what some are pitching is un-American. That's necessarily the case, since the people who most consistently believe in the values he's criticizing view American and Western history as not that of a free society, but simply the rule of white male property owners, the lasting influence with which our culture is stamped. Thus the culture warrior aspect, which is utterly opposed to our civic identity, meritocratic hierarchy, family model, and exceptionalism.
Not everything is some anti-racist battle. At some point left-wing ideology does have issues with liberty and the culture behind it, and you can legitimately call it out.
Well, I can see where he's coming from... Given how severely inbred he looks.
no that's just jersey. we're all like that.
im not saying diversity is good or bad, but diversity is literally what usa is about
God, the republicans are making my life hard at keeping away from thinking the stereotype of "Americans get mad at anything resembling socialism".
Ah so our actual state is not due capitalism spinning out of control, but due equality ideology? Impressive, truly impressive. Blaming the individuals and not the elites that you mention is truly petty.
If we are fighting for scraps and regarless all the equality movements the fascists are resurging, are due 1: poor state of the economy due right-wing measures and 2: sensationalistic propaganda.
You are mixing different ideologies at this point and IDK if is just for stirring up flame wars or just absolute ignorance.
If his point is it's crap that someone less qualified than you gets the job you applied for because the company is required to have a certain number of minorities, then I can see that. That would suck that you lost out because of forced diversity.
But I don't think that's his point
Because you aren't born with ideas, so people generally put ideas lower on the scale of what kind of diversity you'd like to talk about.
It also gets stupid when people consider being a dick as being just another opinion. Or more recently the god damn nazis
You dopn't honestly expect Sgman of all people to get your point here, do you?
I'm well aware of just what he means, and that's why I posted.
It would feel like letting it go unsaid would make him feel validated
I think america should allow more political opinions in general but whenever I hear someone on the right bring up diversity of ideas it just seems like they want it to be more diverse in their favor.
The fact you aren't born with it is exactly the point. What you're born with means comparatively little, you do not grow with it. You do not evolve as a member of a group, you are always part of that. Your thought in contrast does evolve over time, and restrictions on pluralism of values is therefore stifling.
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