Drill group banned from making music without police permission
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From Independent:
Gang members who rapped about stabbing rivals have been banned from making music without police approval in an unprecedented court order.
Five members of west London drill group 1011 must obtain authorisation from Scotland Yard before recording or performing tracks and are prohibited from writing lyrics deemed by officers to “encourage violence”.
A wide-ranging criminal behaviour order (CBO) imposed at Kingston Crown Court on Friday also forbids them from referring to their own gang or rivals in their music and requires them to allow police to attend any performances.
The Metropolitan Police requested legal measures to restrict the Ladbroke Grove gang’s music after they were convicted of planning a machete attack on a rival gang.
From NME:
Police say that 1011 were planning a retaliation attack on Shepherd’s Bush’s 12-World gang after they posted videos online which showed them harassing the grandmother of Micah and Jordean Bedeau, The Independent reports. Scotland Yard investigated the group for two years, and claim that their music is ”clearly and only designed to incite violence and provoke each other”
Jodie Ginsberg, the chief executive of Index on Censorship, criticised the ban. “Banning a kind of music is not the way to handle ideas or opinions that are distasteful or disturbing. This isn’t going to address the issues that lead to the creation of this kind of music, nor should we be creating a precedent in which certain forms of art – which include violent images or ideas – are banned. We need to tackle actual violence, not ideas and opinions.”
I'm kind of very conflicted with this one, because I'm a supporter of free speech, but I believe they actually made the right choice.
A serious death threat is a death threat, regardless of format.
So literally the next level above this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14WE3A0PwVs
Lmao if they wanted to stab people they'd just do it, not sing about it
They were doing both.
" We need to tackle actual violence, not ideas and opinions.”"
"I'm gonna stab u and your nan like my brother did" is not an idea nor an opinion lmao
Clearly you can't see the artistic power on show from threats of stabbing your nan.
Sure, try them in court for a specific threat made in a specific song. You shouldnt be able to ban someone from making any music period in a sane country though.
I know. It's the usual.
This sets an extremely bad president for future cases regarding music and content the government disagree with.
Like, drill has its problem with the glorification of violence and incitement of post code wars, but you'd be daft to think it's all just about the violence. There's definitely some level of racism and distrust from the police, and the met's history of crackdown of underground music is well documented. Even Stormzy and other big name UK artists now have always had problems with the police shutting down gigs and outright forbidding them from playing places.
This 1011 beef goes deeper than just the music and I'm absolutely for the arrest and prosecution of those actively involved in assaults and murder, but no way do I trust the government having a say in what music is allowed and isn't. That's fascism.
I know, right? I rue the day where a man can't even send death threats and conspire to murder without the government sticking its nose into not-their-business
rap snitches
The UK authorities have been terrified of musical gatherings since it became clear in the late 80s/90s that they were woefully equipped to deal with Raves/Acid House. Fields full of YOUTHS taking ILLEGAL DRUGS? It's a Middle England nightmare. The scenes went back underground but the fear and authoritarian handling never went away, it's part and parcel of the Tories.
Up until recently we had Form 696 arbitrarily used to shutdown grime and DJ nights that the police deemed unacceptable and have had world class clubs shutdown (like Fabric) due to the governments fear of non vanilla nightlife and their hopeless drug laws.
Have you also considered it might be the fact that they're operating without a licence or insurance i.e a fuck up waiting to happen
Thats why they're illegal, not the drugs
lol they're gonna police a music group but not any group of fascists who encourage and perform acts of racist violence each day
cops surprise me every day
Actually all of these clubs operated with a strict license and followed the law to the letter as best they could.
Fabric was closed after two drug related deaths. If you knew anything at all about Fabric and it's door policy, you'd know it was probably one of the strictest in the country. Security was like a gauntlet.
Ohhh sorry i skim read, i assumed you were purely talking about *actually* illegal shit in fields and not legit clubs
That strikes me as odd. It's not like you can pre-emptively ban other forms of expression such as social media posts, public speech, etc. Why would music be different from those?
Unless there's a thing like restraining order which enables that under specific circumstances
Oh no worries. That stuff is for sure illegal but that period was very culturally important and also kind of set the tone for the governments handling of electronic music (and hip hop, to some degree) more generally.
yeah police handling of them was pathetic regardless of how illegal they were on paper
"hmm we're claiming that we need to shut them down for safety. Grab the CS gas!"
this is only gonna make their music more sought after now
@Sundowner explained this much better than I can in the previous thread.
YouTube deletes a large number of videos at the UK's behest
Yeah I was going to say, censorship is absolutely bad but people are making this out to be just british nanny state business when a large percentage of these songs are either boasting about people they've stabbed/splashed/shot, or actively attempting to threaten/instigate violence with opp sides
I've been involved and following the London Drill scene since it grew out of the road rap scene, these aren't rappers making up lyrics they're actively referencing violent crimes they've committed. And with the surge of gang violence recently that's only gonna get worse over the summer because summer is stabbing season, is probably just a last ditch effort to stop people just going out and doing a stabbing so they can put it on a tune.
Like I genuinely love the drill scene and the grime scene, but when you look at:
Aydee got cheffed in the ends times two
Donny had enough and he went OT
Then he got cheffed upsuh
Fucking hell who made it three?
Bellz got chinged, he was tryna go cafe
And his young g got cheffed times three
He was in the lack trying to get some wings
Don't nobody know about Uber Eats?
Anwar got cheffed and he pissed himself
Donny should of said that he had to pee
Done saw man two times already
One more time and a boy got chiefed
Gface dun got cheffed in the eye
Blind man's bluff and now man can't see
He's young g dun got cheffed on the bus
Don't anybody know about Addison Lee?
And realise these are all stabbings that have actually happened and are being promoted in lyrics it is a bit more difficult a situation than with a lot of gangster rap from the US which isn't really talking about shit like that
And trust I don't want these videos banned at all because I love this music personally. But as much as I hate to say it I can see where the police are coming from, even if I don't agree with them. If they were just making videos celebrating these stabbings without music attached, it would definitely get taken down
meanwhile this is ok
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkgP54FuvIM
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