Immigrant parents are being deported without their children - Polidicks

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/17/us/immigration-deported-parents.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=photo-spot-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news They’d had a plan: Elsa Johana Ortiz Enriquez packed up what little she had in Guatemala and traveled across Mexico with her 8-year-old son, Anthony. In a group, they rafted across the Rio Grande into Texas. From there they intended to join her boyfriend, Edgar, who had found a construction job in the United States. Except it all went wrong. The Border Patrol was waiting as they made their way from the border on May 26, and soon mother and son were in a teeming detention center in southern Texas. The next part unfolded so swiftly that, even now, Ms. Ortiz cannot grasp it: Anthony was sent to a shelter for migrant children. And she was put on a plane back to Guatemala. In some cases, parents and children have gone weeks without being able to communicate with one another and without knowing one anothers’ whereabouts. From April 19 to May 31, a total of 1,995 children who arrived with 1,940 adults were separated from their parents, according to administration officials. Reunification becomes particularly difficult when a parent is deported without the child and is no longer on American soil, Mr. Sandweg said; in those cases, “there is a very high risk that parents and children will be permanently separated.” In fairness, there is a process (detailed in the article) for having the families reunited and the children returned. In this article's case, the women is back in contact with her son and waiting for his return. However this is basically the best case scenario. Considering the recent reports that thousands of migrant children have been lost by the government, I have a hard time believing everyone will be reunited, and even then, separation from your children for weeks or months is fucking insane. This immigration detention center and child separation policy stuff is genuinely evil. I understand the need for border security but this is beyond inhumane and the people involved in this process, I don't understand how they can do this without being absolutely ashamed of themselves. This needs to be a bigger deal.

The administration is doing a terrible job of lying about this about this atm too, Trump claims it's the Democrats' fault somehow, his DHS secretary claims there's no such policy, John Kelly says the policy exists and is fine https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1000375761604370434 https://twitter.com/SecNielsen/status/1008467414235992069 http://uk.businessinsider.com/john-kelly-family-separation-policy-illegal-border-crossing-2018-5 https://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2018/06/16/us/politics/ap-us-immigration-fact-check.html

There was a time when I felt like the constant cries of "gaslighting" were a little melodramatic or overly alarmist, but enacting a policy to separate children from their families and then blaming it on the opposition party while simultaneously saying the policy does not exist is definitely one of those "stranger than fiction" scenarios. "We don't have a policy of separating families, now let's get the Democrats to fix this policy of separating families!".

Why don't they deport children with their parents?

Because that's the point and also they don't care.

I think they're trying to create a deterrent by saying "if you come here, your experience will be horrific and it won't be as simple as going home and trying again with no consequences". Assuming that is the "logic" here, we may as well be torturing and beheading people who cross the border to create a deterrent. But we don't do that because.. It's immoral? Well so is separating children from their families, so clearly morality isn't the bounding factor here, but just "what level of torture can we impose on immigrants and asylum seekers that Americans will tolerate and accept"? And apparently that threshold is separating families and using kidnapped foreign children as bargaining chips to get Democrats to fund an overpriced and ineffective symbol of border security.

Kind of ruins that purity by keeping those children. Even giving them an extra reason to hate that party.

Although considering that leaked transcript between Trump and the president of Mexico, it's not even about border security anymore (if it ever even was). It's just about letting Trump uphold arguably his most useless and yet most popular and mobilizing campaign promise which was Le Epic Mexican Wall. All of this is likely happening because Trump doesn't want to make his core racist base angry that Mexicans are still able to mow lawns for $25/day.

That's the threshold for now. When it still doesn't stop people fleeing from their lives to seek Asylum, as we advertise we are willing to afford them, then they'll start saying "well obviously we have to be harder. This is time for some 'tough love' in the form of placing these refugees on spears and mounting them at the border to show these people fleeing violence that they're only seeking further violence". They're OK with people trying to come here to this nation to seek asylum through our border crossing which we expect everyone to know the exact location of (especially foreigners who may not have access to US maps and may not know English) but boy, if you even so dare as cross anywhere else, your life is forfeit, your children are forfeit, and you are subhuman scum who deserve everything that's coming to you.

Nazis.

Fuck the sub-Human vermin in the white House. And any asshole that supports him. I'm looking forward to seeing the look on his face when he's told he's going to spend the rest of his life in a cell. Let's hope they let him into gen pop, we could amuse ourselves taking bets on how long he'd last. Nothing that the Trump Admin has done so far seems as evil as this.

My paper's writeup on this and the intraction in the house could be summed up like so: "The GOP is concerned they're acting too much like Nazis, but on the other hand they're concerned they're not acting enough like Nazis." both 'solutions' in the house are awful bills that completely gut our immigration system and close the door, in exchange for fixing more and more of the mess trump is causing. they won't pass immigration reform because frankly there's more need than ever to appease pro trumpers instead of moderates and independents.

What's the point of this policy? Are they really just separating the kids for no discernible reason or were the kids they're keeping born after crossing the border and considered legal citizens?

The reasoning behind it is that by severally punishing families who cross the border it will discourage them from crossing the border. It's also a bargaining chip to attempt to force the Democrats to approve the border wall with Mexico, under the basis of "if you don't accept my building of a border wall then you're responsible for me separating children from their families".

If they were legal citizens, I'd assume they would be required put them into an orphanage or child protective services and not keep them in Trumpscwhitz. Then again these people don't really care for the law in the first place.

How utterly Stalinist, disgraceful. Watch the UN do nothing lmao

John Kelly is talking about putting them in those foster care programs though, where does Trumpschwitz come from?

I think he means that "trump prison camp" where they told the children not to hug each other. That could be the "foster care". All of this seems so dystopian. It feels so unusually cruel that it doesn't seem even real, yet it really is happening.

Because kids are told to not comfort eachother, there's an painting in the facility of trump with a quote in spanish, the area is caged in with portapotties for them to relieve themselves in, kids are given a cot and a emergency blanket, and now the kids are trying to kill themselves over the immense stress of being separated and silenced.

Trump really is going to go down in history as not just one of the most incompetent presidents of all time, but as one of the most egregiously heinous ones of all time

Yeah, foster care is the idea. This is how it is supposed to work in the best of times. Unaccompanied children are taken by the Border Patrol, sent to the Office of Refugee Relocation, who then tries to find friends or family in the United States. The thing is, this system was breaking down prior to Trump's policy change because there were too many kids in the system. You had cases of Border Patrol agents watching kids on their own because there was no where else to put them. Now that Trump is dramatically raising the amount of children we have to keep here because their parents are being charged with felonies instead of misdeamenors, why should we expect this process to do anything else but collapse further?

How long before Trump starts using zyklon B? This shit is unheard of. How isn't anyone stopping this?!

What do you want the UN to do, deploy peacekeepers on US soil?

the people who have the real power to stop this, the Republicans, care more about keeping their jobs and feeding their voter base than they do about being decent human beings

I can hear the sudden "thumps" of pro-2A/"militia-men" boners hitting their desks as they read this...

I don't want them to deploy them. I want them to have already been deployed and be in those facilities yesterday. They're obviously incapable of dealing with this themselves and they're blocking access to our own senators and governors - which means it's time for an international intervention.

I didn't know the UN's employees were all blue helmets of course I don't want peacekeepers on US soil, there isn't an armed conflict there. The UN doesn't send troops of blue helmets to everything they investigate.

Sure but UN investigators confirming what we already know hasn't worked in Israel, I don't see what it would accomplish here.

You can't do this under the pretense that they're granting the kids asylum if they don't have the option of going back with their parents. They might as well be kidnapping them.

Gotta get bodies to build a slave labor economy to bring back the good old days when america was great. You know that pre-1940's era that some republicans seem to romanticizes.