28 days in jail and a rank demotion, what a joke of a punishment
Imagine being a guy who participated in, and lost friends in, D-Day: imagine seeing your fellow countrymen, the people you fought for, waving nazi flags and subscribing to the warped ideology, someone in the military no less. Absolutely shameful.
I think a lot of those Marines who fought against Hitler would be rolling in their graves to see the same scum they fought and sacrificed for joining their corp.
Fuck no, it should have been a dishonourable discharge at the very least. No soldier of the USA ought to show fucking Nazi sympathies for any reason at all.
don't get me wrong, this guy is a piece of shit, but a court-martial - ESPECIALLY over something political - will ruin anyone's military career and most likely brand them as untrustworthy at the very least when they get out
this guy was busted down two grades to buck private and forfeited 2/3rds of his pay for the next month, which means 9 times out of 10 that as soon as his confinement is up he'll be kicked out
he has also in all likelihood just lost future VA benefits and his GI bill
it doesn't sound so harsh at first glance to a civilian but believe me, this kid's going to have to work his ass off for the rest of his life to come back from this, rightly so
I think it's going to be even more interesting when we near the 100 year mark, when every person that actually experienced the war are gone and all we have left are second hand accounts. No doubt the horrors will be forgotten and we'll repeat the same mistakes again.
Honestly I think it'll be worse given how warped a lot of peoples opinions of the atrocities committed by the Nazis are getting already.
I mean fuck, that's not even taking into account the rise of neo-nazism, the Republican party and it's constituents are getting closer and closer to that line that must not be crossed already.
That's a bit melodramatic. There's been nazi supporters during all those years.
Nazi ideology is not the crux of the problem. Unhappy people turn to destructive ideologies. I would argue that the recent tax reforms and healthcare cuts have done a lot more for nazism that any piece of propaganda.
Being a neo-Nazi should ruin anyone's military career and brand them untrustworthy.
Trust me, if they haven't started the discharge paperwork (probably a general-other than honorable or a bad conduct) already, then I'll be surprised. This is a huge black mark, and his career is over. Marines hate any one of their own who bring discredit upon the Corps. This guy is done.
Wouldnt assault typically carry a higher sentence than this?
Or just any career in general. But military especially since it's basically treason.
depending on the type of court-martial (most likely summary in this case), a full 30 days confinement is the only more stringent punishment involving "the brig"
he could have also been sentenced to 60 days restriction (you're in an empty room all day, with MAYBE a few books on the Commandant's reading list, and you have to check in every few hours) and/or 45 days hard labor (we don't really do that anymore)
assault would generally be met with a non-judicial punishment, which is somewhat less severe but still detrimental, but in this case since it was politically motivated and assault against a civilian they went hard on this guy
source: I'm an Marine and I'm not associated with legal or CID, just going off of what I remember from boot camp and a quick search over my duty station's rules and regs
This is patently false as the neo nazis are the ones voting for these measures. Shit they even spend inordinate amounts of time complaining that healthcare should never be nationalised because that's communism.
Isn't this like stereotypical Marine behavior?
How does that make it patently false? Without any neo nazis you'd still have virtually every republican voting to make things tougher for the underclass
Where would the armed forces be if they ejected every violent authoritarian sociopath?
Note that I'm not claiming every member of the armed forces is a violent authoritarian sociopath, only that the armed forces provides an outlet for such people and they have an incentive to keep them around.
I'm not surprised
https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/223311/585c9f6f-2119-4e02-b677-ab2d7589ba41/ourtroops.jpg
Nah still got off too easy imo
Fucker should be tried for Treason.
we never weren't nazis, its just our 'jews' were blacks and then we also always had nazis as well.
for people to be so ardantly patriotic and nazi though is still a mind twister
It sounds like he got off easy but imagine all the friends you made prior shunning you. Your leaders not wanting to deal with you or even consider helping you out because you're revealed to be a racist piece of shit? Imagine loosing almost all your personal relationships with dozens of people and including his family. Your face and nameplastered over various media outlets as "Marine Neo-Nazi. Getting busted down to E-1, loosing pay, etc. It's not as harsh as many people want it to be, but this guy's life is going to be utter wreck when they kick him out. He's not remotely fit to wear our goddamn uniform and it's going to reflect where ever he goes. I think that's a far worse punishment than a year or three in the brig.
IIRC some Air Force or Army guy was like that, low and behold he's locked up in prison now.
He can also say good fucking bye to any future career opportunities. Hiring vets is already shaky ground.
Keep in mind, double jeopardy doesn't apply to UCMJ proceedings. They'll happily hand you over to the civilian court system once they're done with you.
I just worry that this will end up radicalizing him further once society ostracizes him completely. Once he's pushed that far, who knows what he'd be capable of.
Every action has its consequences, if you arent willing to bear those consequences, dont take the actions leading up to them in the first place.
If he does try anything else, he can get squashed flat by the law like all those others who came before him.
So why even punish criminals, if you're just going to tuck your tail at the idea that they might do something.
"Unite the Right"
What a joke. I am all for people like this to say that they want but the fact that they are given any sort of legitimacy is so awful. Especially with winks and nods from the GOP.
Every action has consequences, that's why we need to take actions to lessen rates of recidivism, not just say "tough luck boi."
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