The resulting deaths were far fewer than the United States
Uhh yeah no shit, the US is magnitiudes larger
germany = 82.67 million
US = 325.7 million
The rate is probably significantly lower but I'm not feeling very mathy right now
fuck police
When you're killing almost a thousand people in year maybe you need to confront your needlessly aggressive and trigger happy law enforcement
Weird how that works out, US cops kill 19 times as many people per capita as Germany's.
Here, wait, you forgot to post the rest of that quote
The resulting deaths were far fewer than the United States, where more than 950 people died as a result of police shootings
So while the US has about 4 times the population, they have nearly 70 times the number of deaths
According to this, there were 987 people killed by American police in 2017.
In order to make things somewhat easier to read, we can divide 14 by 82.67, and 987 by 325.7. These numbers are not at all representative of the ACTUAL rate of deaths, but it should give just a rough idea, and that's assuming I didn't somehow fuck this up.
14 over 82.67 gets us 0.169348010188060965283657917019 (GER)
987 over 325.7 nets us 3.03039607003070310101320233436. (US)
So, yeah. The death rate is WAY lower in Germany.
That would probably require federal oversight of police to work in red states, states that would scream and shit out lawsuits at any sort of federal oversight. Could be ruled unconstitutional by the SCOTUS as well.
We don't need security. We don't need people who look after criminals. We don't need anything like that.
I mean sure, but you have to realize how much of a strawman that argument is. When I was in school, I saw police on several occasions as my job required that I work with them or call them from time to time. Some officers took their duties very seriously and were firm yet kind. Others were overzealous and reckless. Such as when a person fell asleep in a lounge of one of the dormitories (a student mind you, not some rando), and wouldn't wake up we called the cops because we thought we might have an overdose or alcohol poisoning issue on our hands (we weren't allowed to examine or touch people).
The officer that responded got it into his head that the best way to wake this person up was to put on a rubber glove, and violently shake their head, whilst slamming it into the wall. When the person woke up (they were apparently just a heavy sleeper) they were angry and somewhat uncooperative (understandable when you've basically just been beaten up by a stranger) and the cop decided the best course of action was to yell at her over this incident (She was a student, and had every right to be where she was, it was just concerning since we didn't know if there was a medical problem).
That story is something extremely minor in comparison to some of the other shit that goes on where people lose their lives. So yeah, I sympathize when people say fuck cops. Cops in the US vary so much in training and attitude that it's atrocious. Many don't deserve to wear a badge. The institution may be important, but I don't trust them not to try and fuck up my day when they're around given how much power they wield, yet exercise little to no restraint in using it.
the USA is also a worse place than Germany, much more violence and crime
"Usually" cops don't shoot innocent people. It happens, but overall, the US population is nowhere near as stable as Germany's. Don't try and pretend the discrepancy is just because cops hate black people that much.
United states in 2017: 950 people killed / 325 million people = 2.92 killed / million
Germany in 2017: 14 people killed / 82 million people = 0.17 killed / million
Germany from 1996 to 2017 inclusive (22 years): 179 people killed / 82 million people = 2.18 killed / million
Source
This is a bit beyond "it happens"
The police didn't kill 950 "black men talking on their cellphones in their backyards" - officer involved shootings in the US are by and large justified.
https://i.imgur.com/pWeXgIP.png
You don't have to go too far out of your way to determine the US has a significantly larger problem with crime and violence than Germany, hence we have a higher rate of police shootings. Missy Q is implying the majority of police shootings are cops vs random innocent people and that's horse shit.
Then allow me to expand on my previous post
The Guardian - The Counted (list of people killed by police in the US based on media reports)
Searching for 2016, and filtering out only unarmed people killed by gunshots specifically, we get 103 out of 1093.
103 people killed / 325 million people = 0.31 killed / million
That, while a lot better, is still more than double of what Germany has.
I'm not contesting that. I'm contesting Missy Q's insinuation that the police forces of America are roving death squads looking for innocent black people to gun down.
Really I think we can agree that regardless of the context, 950 people shot by cops is too way many outside of like, literal wartime or some shit.
I like how you think the reason the U.S. has many more police shootings is because "they shoot unarmed brown people". The real reason is probably:
People have access to firearms and other weapons
Crime rate is higher
Larger cities = more gang affiliation
Larger population
More police officers = responding to more calls = increased chance of shooting
I don't deny that unjustified shootings do happen but they are marginal compared to the justified ones.
I'm pretty sure Missy's more concerned about it being a systematic issue rather than just a lot of independent bad apples - either ones with bad judgement or prejudice.
I'm well aware of dangers police face and that once you shoot, you shoot to kill, but there are too many cases where people are killed even on their own property, be it talking on the phone or holding a pipe but unable to understand police commands since they're deaf.
I doubt you or anyone who rated this agree has spoken to a cop since they came to their school and warned them not to take drugs or stay out after 10pm
not gonna lie, i thought it'd be a lot higher than just 950 considering how much shit happens every day across the entire united states with such a large population
My curiosity on this is how many of these shootings are justified and unjustified. How many of these people kill were in fact but not limited to:
Career criminals trying to escape; drug dealers,gang members,etc
Violent offenders who are trying actively resist the police by any means.
Suicide by cop
People actively trying to attack cops
Unjustified shootings; Jumpy cops, people power tripping or actively wanting to shoot someone.
Does NOT matter if they're armed or unarmed. This sounds bad in the case of innocent people, however just because you're unarmed doesn't mean you're a potential threat. The shooting in Raleigh was completely justified because not only was the victim on PCP, being a danger to himself but was took several swings at the officer in question, was tasered and warned several times.
american police shot to death 1k people in 2017
so im gonna be lazy and just multiply germany's number by 4
14 * 4 = 56
if there's 20x the amount of people being shot to death per capita then yeah i assume something's different!
The last time I talked to a cop was when one made fun of my appearance while blocking my access to a friend who was getting pulled out of the building on a stretcher for alcohol poisoning.
I'm not going to outright say "fuck the police", but I completely understand where the sentiment comes from.
While I'm sure US cops generally don't shoot innocent people, my impression is that in the US, there's much less of a tendency to give non-innocents any leeway.
There's also the whole culture of "blue wall of silence". Protecting your own just cos they're on the same team.
I'd argue that cops in the US have a much more dangerous job than cops in Germany given the amount of violent crime here. I don't think German police have to deal with as many potentially armed suspects as US cops do. That's not to say it's all dandy. It's just not societally comparable to Germany.
Not to mention this whole culture of "fuck the police" and "all cops are bastards" and etc that spread among ""woke"" people in the last few years. Sending a message to cops that you don't want them to be there, that you are not going to be cooperative with them, and that society should be standing up to cops just raises tensions between the police and citizens, which does nothing to reduce unjustified police shootings if not outright increasing them.
I don't know why it's so hard for these people to understand that cops are a necessary part of our society. We literally cannot just oust them from our communities, lest we want a wild west-esque society. Yes, something needs to happen, but the only realistic options are to improve police officer training, increase diversity among the police force, have better hiring standards for cops, and reduce tensions between cops and citizens. Yet I rarely see these points of discussion brought up among the people demanding change.
Germany has high gun ownership, around 30-50% as many guns as people according to Wikipedia.
That's still a lot less than in the US, but it's not like the average law-abiding person can't get their hands on a weapon here.
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