Why is this actually a deal, why can't we have a different character that isn't RoughGroughSoldierManlyMan#2234 and instead let the writers have a little fun making a different character without people either making it political or pretending they play BF for the 'immersion' and how one character is completely ruining this????
if this is what really upsets you in life you need to take step back and take a good look at yourself tbh jfc what a non-issue
While I do think the media response to the whole nonissue is stupid, when this issue crops up (as it does here and how it did a year ago by being able to play as a black Nazi in CoDWW2) all I can think is this
"Man, remember when games were outright cherished for having loads of different character customization options? Hey, what happened to that?"
I agree completely. I see no reason why a game like Battlefield isn't allowed to change reality, that's what games are for. Yeah I get it, women were a minority when it comes to combat in World War 2, but there are already plenty of more realistic games that depict it like this.
Funny I was playing the closed alpha and didn't notice or seem to care about anything gender related.
another bullshit video about shit that doesn't matter
battlefield should be whatever the fuck it wants to be, and as long as long the game is actually fun to play, it doesn't matter
instead we get this super pretentious video that only manages to embarrass itself, i almost felt like i was watching a shitty vice news video
People are fucking babies, they always have been but voicing your thoughts is too easy for some people, when their thoughts are full of shit.
I think this video made me a little drunk. Many words to tell nothing.
I have no idea why people keep claiming it's historically inaccurate because the game has females, despite all we've seen so far showed only one female character (unless I missed some stuff).
Really just looks like an excuse for bigots to act offended.
TB absolutely F, the reason why fans are annoyed to shit is because:
BF1 took a massive step in keeping historical accuracy with the factions/battles, going as far as copying easter eggs into maps to show actual events that happened in said battles. Also kept a codex chock full of narrated facts about the technology, battles,. people, factions, weapons, vehicles, and tactics developed during the war. They even hired the dude from the great war channel for advice to keep the experience as close to history as possible while keeping the BF gameplay formula.
Women were included before in BF1, when it made sense. The Russian DLC highlighted the female sniper model, complete with custom voice lines. This did not piss anyone off from the fandom because it made sense for her to be there since there really was female sniper divisions in WW1 in Russia. BF1 on the other hand has Asian British soldiers in Norway.
Dice's PR has been constantly labeling fans who ask why the sudden change in accuracy is there when it was highly praised in BF1 for all the research to what was in the game. There's people outside the BF fandom mocking BF fans saying shit like "I bet they would be upset if an Indian dude was in the game as a Brit, when they served under the common wealth". That was fucking done in BF1, the medic was a commonwealth Indian Sikh for the British. No one fucking cares that there's women on the battlefield, its the fact that they did a total 180 on keeping historical accuracy in battles/factions. To put as an example the extreme length to keep accuracy, one map is Germans vs the British royal navy for the factions. The Germans are normal, but the royal navy had an entire model redesign to match the navy's fatigues over the British fatigues. ONE FUCKING MAP GETS CUSTOM UNITS JUST TO KEEP ACCURACY.
And lastly, what people are a lot more worried about is the business design change. Cosmetics will be the main focus for DLC, and if you can have characters and extremely inconsistent art style, It will make the game look like shit. More people are worried it will turn into some fortnight level cosmetics with silly shit being thrown around or ugly as sin neon camos.
gotta love the amount of outrage over a woman-gasp!- existing
really not helping the whole immature boy's club image
These people need to get out more.
I disagree with the inclusion of female soldiers but it's not hard to see WHY they added the option. It's got nothing to do with feminism, DICE just wants to appeal to a wider audience. It's not fucking rocket science lmao.
I'm fine with the female characters and the stupid ass cosmetics, I'm not fine with how they're trying to hide behind historical accuracy when it's clearly not true, and calling anyone who disagrees with it misogynists and racists.
To be honest with you, I've never been able to discern the difference between classes in Battlefield games. They all just read to me as "soldier".
"you don't like our retarded player skins? clearly you're a fucking misogynistic pig"
[BIG FUCKING CITATION NEEDED]
BF1 overhauled it, all medics carry crutches/sashes, sniper have cloaks, supports have body armor and supplies on their backs, and assaults have tight fitting fatigues with the giant anti tank grenade on their hip. The greatest thing about BF1 was a lot less noise when fighting people, its much easier to pick people from a group.
Its extremely crucial with tank combat because a medic/support cannot really fuck with you, so you need to be able to spot the assaults and supports from the group.
I hate how an argument about DICE, saying a British paraplegic going into battle with a 40's era cyborg arm alongside a katana-wielding madman in a tanktop is being historically accurate, has devolved into more culture war bullshit. The righties are frothing at the mouth because the cyborg is a [i]woman [/i], and other people are scrambling to defend DICE because "it doesn't HAVE to be historically accurate despite that being their stated goal!"
Do people actually like 1791L
I think the sad thing is: DICE is right. Virginia Hall was an American OSS agent regarded by the Gestapo as one of the Allies most dangerous underground operatives, and accomplished all this with a wooden prosthetic leg named Cuthbert. Yes she named her leg. Lt-Colonel John "Mad Jack" Churchill was a British officer who carried, and had confirmed kills with, a broadsword and longbow, and was known for playing bagpipes in combat both for signalling and morale purposes. On the opposite side of the world, USMC Gunnery Sergeant John Basilone earned himself a medal of honor for his actions at Guadalcanal which involved continually operating a machine gun for days on end and, upon running out of ammunition, continuing to hold his position using a pistol and machete. While somewhere in between the two we had Major Lyudmila Pavlichenko, a Ukrainian university historian turned Red Army sniper who was one of 2,000 female snipers in the Red Army, and the most successful female sniper in history with over 300 confirmed kills over the course of one year of fighting around Odessa and Sevastopol. Meanwhile in Germany during the last days of the war the Volkssturm engaged in a desperate, no-holes-barred recruitment policy that included conscripting children and the disabled, including elderly veterans of the First World War, the Hitler Youth, and even the League of German Girls who would be issued and trained in whatever weaponry was available despite being as young as 14.
World War 2 had some seriously crazy shit going down, and it's kind of sad that some people are upset to see it get recognized.
Yeah this.
The fact that a character is Female is the least egregious aspect when it comes to historical inaccuracy- and yet that's the most prominent complaint I see.
I like the more wacky direction they are taking the character design, but I kinda wish they would just go the whole way and have a post apocalyptic battlefield game set in a mad max style setting. Or a Wolfenstien TNO/TNC alternate historical setting.
If the historical setting is getting in the way of their vision, they should change up the setting in my opinion. But if they really do just want to put a wacky spin on a historical setting- fair enough. It's not a big deal.
Fair enough if what DICE is doing isn't your cup of tea, but where is this ~feminism!!!~ outrage coming from? why does everything people don't like about movies or video games have to be another shadowy tendril of the sjw kabal creeping forth to bring ruin to the world?
I'd prefer there to be no women in the multiplayer, given that it's supposed to represent large scale operations by standing armies but it doesn't bug me too much, and I don't think the reactions from some in the games media or the developers themselves have been entirely fair. There does seem to be an assumption that these complaints are coming from a place of misogyny but I imagine that represents a very, very small amount of people compared to the ones who just prefer historical accuracy.
That said, this guy is fucking nuts, especially around the 6:00 mark. Battlefield has never represented the "grueling sacrifices" of anyone, especially not soldiers who actually lived, fought, and died in WW2 theaters. It's a fucking video game with WW2 set as the sandbox to mess around in.To say that DICE is trying to rewrite history and "gaslight" people into thinking that WW2 was fought with women prominently on the front lines is just absurd.
I'm not going to argue that WWII had some crazy shit going on, I'm a big fan of it myself. What I am going to complain about is how the way the trailer represented its characters makes it seem like the crazy-ass wild war heroes are going to be the norm for soldiers. Either the trailer is only representing the "viewpoint" characters of its campaign (in which case I'm going to be disappointed at how narrow their scope of perspectives might end up being), is representing "Hero" units available in the multiplayer (which could be cool but will probably be horrible), or is representing the breadth of customization options they have for characters (which will make most battles a complete rainbow-and-spiky-bits clusterfuck).
It gives me the impression that DICE wanted to make another BF1 about interesting war stories, but then an EA executive came in with a copy of "WILDEST WEIRDEST WWII STORIES" he borrowed from his son and demanded that DICE show those stories in their trailer, and they better make it a snappy one.
It's all for cosmetic monetization
I think one of the coolest things they could have done was reference the minority groups within ww2. Like America could get squads that just had black people as buffalo soldiers, and russia would get the women soldiers.
That would probably be a feature that would get more ridicule than appreciation, but I honestly would love to see something like that.
I find it funny that EA is incredibly PC on the surface, but is more than happy to toss actually talented women out the door. Because thank god we have fictional robot arm women in WW2, but god forbid Amy Hennig, one of the best writers in the industry get a game.
There was some actual multiplayer gameplay footage a while back and like 75% of the screams were from women and it made me really uncomfortable, probably because it's just something you don't really see in video games other than whatever the female equivalent of the Wilhelm Scream is. Like, it hit me as bad as when Red Orchestra 2 and Rising Storm first came out with slow death rattles.
Being PC isn't really about being inclusive I suspect, in fact I doubt they really even care. Its all about reaching a wider audience and increasing sales and PR.
I'm not mad about women in battlefield at all. The real problem is how tonally dissonant the whole game is going to be with the massive amounts of goofy cosmetic micros and ridiculous loadouts like the ones shown in the trailer, combined with the most realistic looking graphics in the series' history. I wish they had just fully committed to an over the top atmosphere and given us a modern take on Battlefield Heroes: in the age of Overwatch and Fortnite, that kind of art style wouldn't impact sales at all.
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