Notorious French gangster Redoine Faid broken out of prison in helicopter raid
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-44673753
This is his second prison break: in 2013, he escaped after seizing four
guards as human shields and blowing several doors off with dynamite.
This guy doesn't fuck around
You would think stuff like this doesen't happen anymore. Huh.
This came straight from some cliche b-rated prison film.
This happens every few years surprisingly. How can they protect against it if there is a yard big enough for one to land? AA guns?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_helicopter_prison_escapes
this honestly should be standard. if a private citizen is allowed to own a fucking aerial vehicle, prisons should have anti-air guns on top of towers to prevent escapes like this lmao
If someone is well connected enough to stage a helicopter escape nothing will stop them from breaking out of any location. It doesn't matter if you have a flak cannon or a fortress of oblivion if enough people care about you.
that's all well and good until that flaming metal box full of fuel comes down on the prison, or a town
Is this text from an anarcho-capitalist meme?
No? I'm pointing out an extremely obvious issue with the way the laws are written in France, as well as various other countries, in addition to weakly applied precautionary measures in prisons (which are stereotypically populated with criminals, law breakers, killers, and so on.)
An organized crime syndicate, gang, mafia, etc can just pay a pilot, or really anyone with a pilot's license / access to a helicopter at an airport to fly to a prison, pick up their boss, and break him out of prison from the yard. There's nothing stopping them lol other than the law, which I doubt an organized crime syndicate, gang, mafia, etc gives a damn about. Why isn't there a way to stop someone from breaking out of prison with a helicopter my dude it's 2018
Tbh I always kind of wonder what's the point of these escapes, at least in modern times. Something so visible as a helicopter will easily be tracked, so it seems like your only hope is if you escape to another country w/o extradition.
You could just place a net over the yard.
Did you read the article? The pilot was an instructor who was waiting for a student who had been taken hostage and forced to fly for them. AA guns would have killed a innocent hostage.
Just set up a net or something.
I don't mean this specific example, I'm referring to all of the helicopter prison breakouts in recent times
Yes and what if in those examples the pilot is also a hostage? Or if in future situations? There's an incredibly easy way to render an incredibly expensive option utterly moot.
Just set up a net.
This is his second prison break: in 2013, he escaped after seizing four
guards as human shields and blowing several doors off with dynamite.
What the fuck?
https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/204913/6439c297-d617-4c25-a47a-289db64c14be/ancap.png
You'd think so
What if the prison had a bunch of giant poles everywhere that make it unsafe for the helicopter to land?
Would the helicopter not still be able to unfurl a ladder from above the poles that the escapee could then climb up?
A net sounds like a better idea, what you need is a barrier between any potential helicopters and the prisoners, not just to prevent helicopters from landing.
41-bis says hi. EU can go fuck itself.
Even then, shooting down the helicopter is the absolute fucking worst option for dealing with a helicopter escape.
Let's put it this way
Consequences of not shooting down the helicopter:
Prisoner/s escape
Consequences of shooting down the helicopter:
Potential injury or death of prison staff, other unrelated prisoners and/or civilians when a fucking helicopter crashes onto or near the prison and sends debris flying
Potential damage to the prison structure when a fucking helicopter crashes onto it, which could even lead to further escapes if it did something like bring down a section of fencing
Even if there was no collateral damage, would it even be legal to shoot it down? If they were driving away in a car, surely it wouldn't be legal to just drone strike the car and kill them all
of course you can't drone strike them, you'd have to purchase airspace movement rights. better to just use the M2s you've got set up along the roads
Helicopters really aren't that durable, the tower guards could down one with their rifles. I'm assuming they intentionally do not because the devastation caused by a helicopter crashing in an urban area, or even within the prison yard, would be worse than what he actually causes by being free.
tbh i think having visible anti-aircraft weapons would be a pretty big deterrent
no we need to get 1200RPM anti-ballistic turret installations
Just get a trebuchet to launch cars filled with gasoline, C4 and rabid dogs at any unauthorized aircraft approaching the area.
Easy.
We installed an anti aircraft guns in Portlaoise prison after the IRA used a helicopter to get a few of their buddies out. It works.
It would just lead to the aircraft having hostages on board.
Because a deterrent is only as powerful as your willingness to use it, and I don't think anyone wants to be holding the bag for "we blew apart an innocent flight instructor and student just to make sure this man doesn't escape prison."
Let the man go, escaping in spectacular fashion twice should warrant some form of medal and indie-movie deal that catalogs your escape attempts.
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