Never know when a toddler pulls out a .50bmg with bullets coated in mustard anthrax...
lmfao what? Why?
I guess I could be missing something here, but a law enforcement agency bought some guns and is.... going to the shooting range with them at some point?
I know the Young Turks aren't known for their stellar journalism but I don't get how this is a story.
There's just so much wrong with ICE it's hard to find where to begin.
The reporting is solid. You can actually see the federal documentation here. The reporter himself is freelance, TYT is just hosting the story.
Now this is how you re-build the Gestapo! And chemical agent training? Perfect for those ... camps ... that we're totally not hurting anyone in, right guys?
Fuck this regime
Something tells me that "chemical agents" is just tear gas/pepper spray, knowing how TYT likes to spin things.
I visited the page since the article linked it, yeah.
I'm just confused as to what the story is here. It seems a little sensationalist, especially the headline. ARs and tear gas aren't exactly rarities for a police force to have, as far as I'm aware.
They're almost doubling their gun supply but why are they doing that? When immigration to the US in general is actually on the decline?
Call me a bootlicker I guess but I doubt they're trucking in zyklon-b here
How many undocumented immigrants are currently here though? They're probably gonna increase the amount of raids/detainment of people and decided to increase their armament for the increased rate of raids. Sounds like standard SWAT stuff. Though I would assume in a situation that needed it they would have local SWAT go in first but idk how it works these days.
Things wear out and will need to be replaced eventually, I would hazard as a guess. They have a maintenance contract sorted, but maintenance takes time, so you need spares.
They have ~20,000 employees, and the article says this count is shared with CBP, which has ~60,000, I dunno how many are actual LEOs, but I'd imagine it's a good chunk. Probably for those guys + some in an arms locker to swap in as others are sent off for repair and etc., maybe.
By chemical weapons do they mean CS gas and various CS forms? I worked for the sheriff's office and I have Chemical weapons certifications myself...
M4 assault rifles, chemical agents, stun grenades, and flash bangs, according to federal procurement records reviewed by TYT. The M4 assault rifle is used extensively by the armed forces and has been the primary service weapon for the U.S. Marine Corps.
Yeah, a lot of federal agencies use M4 or some sort of AR-15 variant. Not really breaking stun nades are standard for police agencies too, as well as flash bangs, and cs gas (chemical weapons). They don't get deployed often, but they're apart of the gear police/LEO agencies have.
ICE does a lot more then immigration, they combat some pretty serious stuff.
Extremely sensationalist article.
I know a fingerprint tech who got certified with pepper spray with the city police department where I'm at.
Little did I know he is roughly analogous to that guy at the end of the boy in the striped pajamas who dropped the gas into the chamber.
The reporting is retarded. Basically every police agency on the face of the planet are now trained to use assult rifles, and every police agency has been training to use "chemical agents" since they first introduced CS and pepper spray. Same goes for stun grenades.
This is really grasping at straws.
Chemical agents is exactly what the document says, they aren't spinning this. You can speculate it's teargas but you have no way of knowing.
i thought TYT was a banned source
Welcome to Newpunch! Where the rules are made up, and the reasons don't matter!
Actually, I was wondering the same thing. I hope the requirements of PD are still in effect.
Well, you see, low-effort posts are bannable except they're not because they're no longer bannable except the Polidicks rules say they are except the global rules say they're not.
So flip a coin, basically, until the Polidicks rules are updated.
If this thread is against the rules mods can close it.
I can't quote cross-thread, so I'll do this instead:
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Oh, okay. Look, I get it, I really do. You and like many others do not like what ICE is doing or being ordered to do. I fully understand because I don't agree with what has been happening.
But lets be real here, this is some conspiratard level shit here. When has any law enforcement agency used "chemical weapons" like the one's being insinuated? We may not have any specifics as to the chemical weapons that were procured, but lets use our brains here. You cannot prove what is on the manifest, I cannot prove what is on the manifest. But unlike you, what I can actually prove is standard equipment load-outs and standard run of the mill deployment methods for chemical weapon tactics.
When police use chemical weapons - it is generally going to be CS Gas or some form of OC spray. It is pretty well known that is what police use and have used in the past. I do not fucking get as to why shit like this comes up and people attempt spin it into something, if you have to make stuff up in order to feel validated in your beliefs then you just have weak beliefs. There are plenty of REAL factual stories which show the gravity of our political situation and administration. This article is literally a sensationalist with the ideal of generating fear and misinformation. It is no better then some right-wing conspiratard level news reporting.
Use some common sense for god sake.
This is as good as saying pest exterminators are carrying chemical weapons
Had a big rant but lost it to internet dying on phone.
So, the article is mostly crap and the title especially.
However, the article does raise a question that I worry about assuming it's accurate: has ICE gone from 5000 to 13000 weapons this year? If so, why and how does that compare to previous years?
I don't understand why that bit isn't more of the focus but, I guess you gotta scare people.
Alright, boys. We've received word that a 45-year-old single mother with two children has just let their visa go .5 seconds past expiration. You know what to do.
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I guess we've gone a ways past the point where police militarization is abnormal
Please, stop with the bullshit. Reading the article and I can see broad as fucking day what is being spun. The fact you keep hanging on to such a broad fucking term of "Chemical Agents" and say yourself "you have no way of knowing!!!!!!." You may not be saying it outright, but you are playing into it.
It is pretty clear cut where you stand in this, You posted the article without saying anything originally.
You have chemical agents in your house - better watch out Lambeth is gearing up the final soultion!
Common dude,
It is pretty clear cut where you stand in this, You posted the article without saying anything originally. Then you started to post the following.
Between you and how the article reports its finding is nothing short of fear mongering.
The Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agency is quietly training its deportation officers in the use of weapons more familiar to the U.S. military than to domestic law enforcement, federal records show.
Really? Training quietly? Common lol. Lets stop trying to spin it if it is some secret gov't training. LEO's don't train in public, it is kinda counter-productive. Of course it is going to be behind closed doors in a controlled environment.
The M4 assault rifle is used extensively by the armed forces and has been the primary service weapon for the U.S. Marine Corps.
Okay, how does this pertain to anything? Other then trying to spin people up by saying ICE is getting spooky scary ASSAULT WEAPONS.
The records show that ICE sought a Chicago-area shooting range that could accommodate training involving the military-style weapons.
Again, going for the military-style weapons. Which one is it? It is a military weapon or a military style. They've been writing about AR's to much and confusing their terms.
A spokesperson for ICE, Matthew Bourke, told TYT via email that the contract awarded to the Howell Shooting range “is for general firearm training and qualification services, which are intended to sustain readiness as mandated by department training requirements. The contract also supports ERO Special Response Team training requirements.”
Oh wow, a LEO agency actually makes their officers/agents do qualifications and annual training. How suspicious of them! I wonder what they could be leading up too....
“Sounds like they’re getting ready for war,” a retired ICE agent, Rob Uribe Álvarez, told TYT.
Oh, here is the lead up! Oh man ICE is gonna DECLARE WAR.
TYT previously reported that ICE had retained a former CIA interrogator to train agents in handling “terrorist suspects.”
Again, no issues with the original report. Why is it being connected to this event?
ICE awarded the new shooting-range contract on June 1—less than one month after the Trump administration authorizedits controversial policy of separating families caught crossing the border illegally.
How is this related? Oh wait, it isn't. You mean an LEO agency has to maintain itself while enforcing an awful policy? Get out of here! No way!
ICE previously had approximately 5,000 M4 rifles in the field, the agency—along with Customs and Border Protection—has recently acquired 8,000 more M4s,
So between two agencies they got 8k more? That isn't really a lot considering there are 20k+ agents on staff. I can prolly speculate as to why they have more M4's, it might have to do with the fact this current administration is focused on immigration. It may have to do with the fact a lot of national guard units are not going to help and instead are just going to use their own agents in conjunction with border patrol.
A former deputy assistant secretary of the Department of Homeland Security bristled at the notion that ICE’s deportation officers need these kinds of weaponry.
Again, more fear mongering verbiage.
It is a weak ass article - it is wrote in this fashion to generate clicks and attention. Nothing more, nothing less. If the article was "ICE Agents conduct annual training and obtain new equipment." Wouldn't be very sensationalist would it? The body of the article would also be boring and not worthy of mention.
Not a valid source and the article is, not surprisingly, pure fear mongering bullshit.
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