I liked Jar Jar in Star Wars EP1.
I think it was because i was young enough at the time to appreciate him.
Because there are other scenes that aren't focus on him like "Come on guys, Let's go play ball" that are pretty terrible but his were perfect.
I don't really like how he goes from talking about his consideration of suicide into if he should use it for his own show? Maybe I am missing something here, but that context just makes it seems more market-y than a genuine discussion on the issue.
some fans got issues
I don't really see it as a cynical marketing thing, more like "hey do enough people care for it to be worth me putting my experience into a show".
It's been a while since I've looked at the old reviews, but I seem to remember not just the fans dogpiling Jar Jar but the negative or negative leaning critics too.
Didn't everybody love Ep 1 and Jarjar until like five years later when it went from being "Cool new star wars" to something people actually realized they could be critical about?
I think it was denial. That and the fact the CGI was impressive at the time so people were like "atleast it's pretty". Then as the years went on it became more shite looking so it didn't even have that going for it.
There was a slight gap between the extreme hype and widespread backlash, although I think a lot of people came out of the theater deflated and a little confused. It just took some time for the idea that a Star Wars movie could be terrible to occur to people. The movie came out in the summer, and I remember when I went back to college that year, a friend of mine had the conversation starter of, "So, are we ready to admit how terrible Episode 1 was?"
Oh you cheeky bastard
Wasn't jar jar binx a secret sith/jedi tho?
Nah Snoke is actually Mace Windu after getting fried by Palpatine.
I mean I gotta give Best credit because he certainly made the most of a shit role, man still does VOs for the role and his IMDB credits is still growing meaning he's still making money. If that's not turning lemons into lemonade as an actor with such a shit role I don't know what is. Most actors in the prequals didn't fare so we'll save for a few, I mean holy shit do I feel bad for Jake Lloyd even if he wasn't that good of a child actor.
The Star Wars franchise is toxic and I feel bad for anyone who gets involved with it now. See: Kelly Marie Tran, Daisy Ridely, Rian Johnsen, Kathleen Kennedy, and so on. The only person I see getting out untouched is Adam Driver, which makes him the exception to the rule.
Jar Jar was awful but no one deserves this.
The interesting thing about your post is that Adam Driver is the only actor who's character wasn't ruined by TLJ. I wonder if there's a connection.
It's wrong to abuse actors/actresses, but that's a minority of people doing it. To call an entire franchise "toxic" over that is a huge stretch.
I think he's asking his viewers or listeners (don't know what kind of show he has) if they would be interested in hearing that story, doesn't really sound too bad, it's a part of his career after all.
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The hell you say
Fucking Star Wars fan ruin Star Wars far greater than the directors can do
How dare people not like bad movies.
It's not the fact that they don't like it; it's the fact that they emphatically hate it to the degree that they berate the actors/actresses and crew on a personal level, far exceeding "criticism."
Why do we care about the actions of a "they" that is probably under 1000 people, when the franchise has millions of fans?
How dare people like things you don't like.
Because it's that "they" that are enough of a vocal minority to bully people off of social media and abuse the actors, actresses, and crew to the point that both Ahmed Best and Jake Lloyd suffered and the same has been done to Kelly Marie Tran and Daisy Ridley, to name a few examples. It's a toxic minority that takes Star Wars way too seriously and lashes out far too personally.
"They" are why the block button exists and why people have social media teams instead of running their own accounts.
"They" are also signal boosted by people like you even talking about them.
I'm telling Discofex why this goes beyond just "not liking a bad movie," and we're in a thread about someone nearly driven to suicide by "they." So, yeah, it's worth noting.
To be completely honest, I struggle to find a fanbase that is not toxic. The interesting thing is the assholes of the world are fans of things as much as everyone else is, and if people let assholes ruin something you're a fan of I think those people are in it for the wrong reasons.
Probably because Kylo Ren is a whiny immature failure and most of the really shitty Star Wars fans probably connect with his character.
To be fair, Jar Jar got way more criticism from way more people than anyone in TLJ. There's virtually nobody that actually likes that character while TLJ has fans that engage in the Olympic equivalent of "I like this character".
My point is it goes only as far as the larger fanbase allows it to, and alienating the good fans with criticism isn't going to help that.
You can express opinions like "this movie was bad" without driving their actors off social media or pushing them to consider suicide or causing them to give up their acting careers.
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