ICE arrests man delivering pizza to military base, now faces deportation - Polidicks

http://www.newsweek.com/ice-arrested-man-delivering-pizza-military-base-and-he-now-faces-deportation-962643 U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement was called on a man delivering pizza in New York City Friday and he now faces deportation. Pablo Villavicencio, 32, was delivering a pizza to Fort Hamilton in Brooklyn when he was asked for “a valid identification document” by a guard. When Villavicencio did not present it, the guard called ICE and he was arrested, according to his wife Sandra Chica who spoke to New York City Spanish language newspaper El Diario. Chica, who is a citizen, told the paper that she and Villavicencio have two daughters and that they began the process to get a legal status for her husband, who was in the U.S. illegally, in February. “There aren’t any words that can define the drama that my daughters and I are living. From one moment to the next, life changed for us and all I ask for now is for them to not deport my husband, to give him an opportunity,” she told El Diario. The base's chief of public affairs, Cathy SantoPietro, told Newsweek in a statement that Villavicencio had entered the base to make a delivery and signed a waiver permitting a background check to get a daily pass. The check turned up an ICE warrant. The statement also called the background check standard procedure. Chica held a press conference Wednesday with New York City Councilor Justin Brannan and Brooklyn Borough President Eric Adams at the base. The politicians said they are seeking answers. “(He) never had a problem entering the Army base before, he always used his NYC ID…something has changed,” said Brannan. “What happened here? Is this part of some new Donald Trump deportation strategy? This is what we need to know. Why was Pablo singled out? Why was this time any different than all the other times Pablo came to deliver food to the base?” Brannan said that the base took the pizza before Villavicencio was detained. “Is our city, state and nation any safer today because they took a pizza delivery guy off the streets? That’s why we’re here today; this is absolutely ridiculous. They are tearing families apart,” said Brannan. Adams pointed to the couple’s daughters who attended the press conference. “(The) American dream was shattered when their dad went from delivery to detention. That is unimaginable,” said Adams. ICE told Newsweek in a statement that Villavicencio ”is an illegally present citizen and national of Ecuador. In March 2010, he was granted voluntary departure by an immigration judge, but failed to depart by July 2010 as ordered.” ICE said that he remains in custody pending his removal.

What the Trump administration is doing is literally inviting groups like MS-13 into the country. If undocumented immigrants can't work legitimate, tax-paying jobs, they're being told their only option is crime.

I wish ICE and this administration could get a taste of their own medicine.

This sort of absolutist, non pragmatic stance on illegal immigrants is going to have a pretty big negatibe impact on the US. On the flipside I think this completely buried any last small fragment of hope any moderate had that Trump might not cause that much damage during his presidency.

Illegal immigrants can't fill out an I-9, so they can't legally work legitimate, taxpaying jobs to begin with. They're illegitimately hired under the table by complacent employers, and file fraudulent tax returns using ITINs. I'm not in support of blanket roundups, but this is a bizarre criticism to make.

In March 2010, he was granted voluntary departure by an immigration judge, but failed to depart by July 2010 as ordered.” ICE said that he remains in custody pending his removal. Wait, hold up. This wasn't as random as it seems. The guy had already been fully enrolled in our system to deport people, they just took this long to get back around to actually enforcing the removal that he chose to do voluntarily. While awful, this was not random.

Personally I'm not against enforcing border policy or ensuring people immigrate legally but on the other hand this is a really draconian punishment for a victimless crime, these people who've built new lives in America don't have homes in Mexico to return to, their homes were in the US and they're now homeless in an unfamiliar land, this is banishment, something only suited to a much more severe crime IMO, but of course you tell that to a conservative and you're going to get the same "Shouldn't have come here then :^)" answer every time.

I was under the impression that all businesses deducted income tax as standard from paycheques so they didn't have to cover the cost themselves.

They do. But typically what then happens is they file a tax return come tax season, using an ITIN instead of an SSN, and claim enough child subsidy tax credits to offset the federal contribution. So the employer is withholding taxes so that their numbers line up on paper, but then the worker recoups that tax witholding through fraudulent credits, and the IRS has neither the resources nor the willpower to crack down on it.

Benefits Russia

ICE needs to be dismantled

You understand that simply means you have another department slightly rebranded doing the exact job of ICE.

Nobody needs to do the job of ICE. We should delegate border patrol to border patrol and issues of criminal justice involving illegal immigrants to other Law enforcement agencies. We don't need an agency that goes around and rounds up illegal immigrants that aren't hurting anyone

We had (several) departments that did the individual jobs of ICE instead of a singular department with honestly too much power doing it's job.

You understand ICE didn't exist till very recently (government agencies wise). We survived before it, and we can do without it. ICE shouldn't be running around the country trying to snatch/harass random immigrants and force the local authorities to comply.

in fairness ICE is mostly just a conglomeration of the INS and USCS, someone was doing their job before but they didn't have quite the same level of power as being part of the DHS gives ICE

You're saying that like undocumented immigrants all cheat the system. Doesn't sound like the most sound argument.

They have to file a return or the IRS comes knocking on their employer's door (which they don't want), so if they're working for a company turning a blind eye to their immigration status, then they're filing a fraudulent return of some form. As for the tax withholding, it was only last year that the policy on child subsidy credits was changed to require a valid SSN, theoretically closing that loophole.

I don't see why you wouldn't be deporting people that are in your country illegally, that makes no sense.

Because, unlike you, most people don't really have an issue with others who want to work and contribute taxes. Its called humanity, or common sense if you look at it in a fiscal point of view. That includes local law enforcement, who rather use resources going after real criminals instead. Why spend thousands hunting down people who are causing no harm other than being in a nation illegally? But seeing your racist as shit "meme" post from the discord, it doesn't surprise me you would want them gone solely because they are immigrants.

Abolishing ICE =/= not regulating immigration, by the way

Uh, no, it is because they are there illegally. All you've succeeded in doing is turn your population against legal immigrants who have sometimes spend their lives trying to get to your country. It is nice and all to call it 'humanity' or try and claim a fiscal point of view, but the underlying issue is that they are there illegally, with that justification I'm sure you won't mind fully opening your borders to the rest of the world.

If the law was murder all brown people on the street, would you still comply? Seriously, if the best excuse you have for uprooting people and causing chaos is "its the law" maybe you should rethink your priorities. But ofcourse you wont, because you're a racist person who thinks any immigrant is a bad one regardless of what they actually are doing.

I'd say you both are right. Yes, they are desperate to leave their awful past, and yes, they should be held accountable for illegal entry. It's a double edged sword. I see both the US expression on how immigration is thought of but also the continental Europe style of viewing it in most threads.

next time you see someone praising "Law and Order" remind them that that law and order they love so much is completely inhumane and draconian

Most people who are against illegal immigration don't have an issue with others who want to work and contribute taxes, either. It's the fact of circumventing the mechanisms intended to ensure that we are not providing free movement for drug cartels that's the issue. It's not like our policies are more strict than other first-world countries. If you overstay a visa in the UK by over a month, the most common result is deportation if you get caught and a ten-year ban on re-entry. Unlike in the US there is no defensive asylum claim; if you apply for asylum after being caught, you will be denied and immediately deported. If you are caught overstaying a Schengen visa, you will be fined 35 Euros per day of overstay, then deported, then banned from re-entry for at least two years. I've personally seen police in both Italy and France stop people at random to check identification, looking for illegal aliens. I'd like to see our government recognize that there is a humanitarian crisis driving much of our illegal immigration, something that we have a ethical responsibility to address as our actions during the Cold War are partly responsible for the current state of South America, and appropriately increase the number of people brought in as refugees and asylum-seekers. But deporting people who are here illegally, whether they've committed other crimes or not, is absolutely consistent with how most of the world operates.

Really, you think that is an argument? Come on, what you are advocating for is no borders if a country cannot deport someone for being there illegally. Every other country on the planet deports people if they are found inside the borders illegally. What I'd actually prefer that if an immigrant was doing that job, they at least be a legal tax paying immigrant because then I'd know that they are actually helping the country. We have a process for bringing people into countries and for every person who gets in illegally, is yet another blow towards legal immigration.

Do you think illegals don't pay income tax or anything? They put more into the system than they take out (because they literally can't take out)

I know its close to impossible over here, I can't speak on behalf of the US system.

I hate when people just throw free money into the system.