https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcklYVR5I-I
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I wouldn't even call him fascist. Nationalist? For sure. Dumbass? Very yes.
However on the more civil side I don't see any secret police kiosks in my city, and to compare the holding camps to concentration camps makes me physically sick. Not to say the holding camps are peaches and cream, but there's a miles of difference to them vs state-run workcenters where the government plucks normal every-day citizens off the street based off of vauge criteria of race, sexual orientation or disability and then stuffs them in a train going to a facility where said government is attempting to work it's abductees to death, only to later round them up again and shove them in showers full of cyanide gas.
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Clearly you didn't watch the video, you should though, it goes over exactly what you're saying about relating fascism directly to Hitler's Germany.
While I do agree with almost everything this video states, I still believe it is premature to call Trumpism a form of fascism, what with it lacking (now, at least, and hopefully later as well) calls for the removal of obsolete liberal democracy in order to more efficiently wage wars of expansion for national rejuvenation (as opposed to merely wars of imperialism for the control of resources, usually by proxy which is sadly just a natural consequence of the Pax Americana - not strictly fascism).
He does possess, and so do his followers in the government, certain quasi-fascist features such as a cult of personality, appeals to authority and absolute law, a want for autarky and a fear of globalization, and most importantly - the wish for removal of certain checks and balances as well as an increasingly exclusionary notion of what it means to be part of the nation. I do not believe calling him a fascist or even a neo-fascist is either strictly correct or useful (for the same reason I disagree with the notion of Ur-fascism as was stated by Umberto Eco and put forward in brief in the video).
That is to say - it is not necessary to call him a fascist to justly condemn and resist the trends and rhetoric and policy and reasoning put forward by the current administration, indeed, Trumpist is a better term that should not draw infamy merely from it being associated with historical and/or new incarnations of fascism but on its own accord of what is happening right now, even as the potential of it evolving into a true kind of fascism is kept in mind.
i think the important distinction here is are we saying that the Trump administration is fascist, or that Trump personally is a fascist? i.e. would that be how he would prefer the government were run if such a change were politically tenable?
the first definitely no, the second absolutely yes
That's more agreeable than what the video says (as do some on this forum) but even then I do not believe Trump to possess the mental capacity and ideological backbone to hold any consistent political tenets divorced from much simpler narcissistic self-aggrandizing and belief in being the protagonist in the success story of America - penned by his firm-yet-fair tiny hand.
That is to say, I think Trump is too stupid to believe in anything other than himself, let alone a system as complex and frankly self-contradictory like fascism. That he would functionally result in something very close to fascism if left to his devices does not mean he is (as a political identity based on beliefs, as the video demonstrates) an actual fascist ideologically speaking.
What we should be concerned about is precisely this fool's susceptibility to fitting his beliefs at the moment to whoever tells him what he wants to hear, that and the fact that he effectively paves the road for what would more correctly be called fascists down the line with his influence on political rhetoric since before the election up to this day.
Perhaps it would be better to describe the USA as a puppet to fascist Russia?
You really shouldn't be treating right wing extremism as this thing that has to cross a line to be worth opposing. If people don't put the kibosh on it RIGHT NOW, they'll just move the goalposts. Like if ICE seriously started gassing asylum seekers, they'd go "well, we're not nazis until we've killed 6 million and opened a camp called Auschwitz". You don't have to use the word "nazi" if you don't feel like it's appropriate and honestly, the term is way too overused, maybe ethno-nationalist is better.
Fascism means unquestioned faith in and loyalty to authority under the veneer of national harmony. Without a shadow of a doubt, Donald Trump is a fascist. He constantly talks about how he wants people to worship him by virtue of being the POTUS and by no other metric.
This sort of euphemism was okay prior to the elections when Trump really just sounded like a massive fuckwit but he's been in the white house for long enough for that logic to no longer hold any truth whatsoever.
That is a feature of more systems than exclusively fascism, and fascism consists of more tenets than just unquestioned worship of authority which culminates in the ultimate form of the Great Leader. That part can easily be chalked off to narcissism combined with good old disregard to limiting the power of the state as long as he's at the helm until as it is not shown he consistently holds the other tenets in his heart and words and actions as well. Trump is an dark orange-hued stain on the history of the office of POTUS, but he is not yet a fascist. An authoritarian, exclusionary, protectionist and unscrupulous idiot - but not a fascist.
This might seem like a purely semantic distinction, but it seems to me to be an important one to make.
I believe this is the best way to describe Trump and the US.
Trump is a fascist, I don't care if he's an idiot. Idiots can be sweet people. He's a fascist, end of, because its rhetoric that he's been using for far longer than with Bannon and the others. He started the Birther Movement. Trump IS a fascist and needs to be treated as such.
People are so eager to defend fucking donald trump lmao
Did you even watch the video?
As mentioned in the video, being fascist is not strictly the same as being totalitarian. As long as they weren't jewish, black, romani, disabled, any other minority or a woman, a citizen in Nazi Germany arguably had as many rights as any liberal country, especially when it came to things like gun rights.
Not really. They certainly didn't have the right to criticize the government.
Only because he isn't German
otherwise, it's pretty clear he's a fascist
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