Good, non violent protests on important issues are good and should be supported
These protests fuck up the entire region and block ambulances.
"Partially blocked" they're supposed to get in the way
From what I can tell from google, freeway speed limits are usually 55-70mph.
Do you really think it's a good idea to support people who put innocent drivers at risk by forcing them to do emergency stops at those speed or risk repainting their cars?
Well that really depends on how visible it is and where it is on the freeway
Freeway protests are just plain stupid, within the city though I'm kinda on board as long as they let cars through slowly. Blocking traffic just for the sake of attention I feel is not a good move, but if you're marching in the streets and that coincidentally makes it harder to drive it's a lot more understandable. It just feels hostile and inconsiderate to specifically hold people hostage in their cars who may even agree with your cause.
Like preventing someone from going somewhere or leaving a situation is generally considered not okay, but when you're being super self righteous and screaming about something it's apparently acceptable? I don't really get that. If I lock a bunch of people in a Little Caesars it's still fucked up regardless of whether or not I'm doing it for a just cause.
Little Caesar's? I think that might count as biological terrorism.
So who exactly did they prevent from going anywhere with their well publicized ahead of time protest with multiple other routes for movement available? Oh, that's right, nobody. I'd understand these complaints if this was some big impromptu thing that nobody knew was coming but it wasn't. This has been planned out over a week in advance and was easily avoidable.
Chicago has some of the strictest gun laws in the entire country outside of New York City.
Outside of an outright ban I don believe you could restrict any further there.
You don't think it's at all possible people aren't aware of the protest ahead of time and will get caught on the freeway anyway? You don't think it can be traumatic or dangerous for people who might find themselves stuck between freeway exits with protestors yelling at them? If your only defense is that "people will know ahead of time" then you're just plain wrong. Not everybody follows the news or Facebook protest announcements.
That honestly has to be the first time in my life I've heard running into traffic described as "traumatic." But no I don't think it could be traumatic because it was rather well managed. Again, it's not like nobody knew this was happening. IDOT closed lanes prior to it happening, police lined lane, etc. "People will know ahead of time" wasn't my only defense - it was just part of it. People aware this was happening includes the government, giving them ample time to do what they did and set up a plan to handle it instead of having it just be drivers surrounded by protesters randomly.
And I ignore what you call "the spirit of the protest" because you're getting it wrong. They're marching down that part of the freeway to stop cars from using it specifically. That doesn't stop movement, that stops that specific movement at that specific place while leaving other options available (like exiting on 79th and just going up State to 63rd to get on again there). It's like if you occupied a stall in the bathroom but there were fifty more - you're not stopping people from going to the bathroom even if you certainly are impeding efficiency.
i'm sure gang members care about people stopping a freeway.
I think you're being intentionally disingenuous saying that cars being caught in a street protest isn't possibly traumatic, but whatever lol. IDOT closing lanes and preventing people from encountering the protests does remove the possibility of trauma yes, though at that point my criticism shifts to the state for actually voluntarily shutting down their own freeway to let people march on it, like what the fuck is that about? I mean yeah, if people literally can't even get on the freeway then they're not at any risk of getting stuck there, but I'd also much rather the state wasn't allowing something so disruptive and dumb in the first place.
how do you get people to support you?
thats right, piss them off, they'll really want to agree with you afterwards
I feel like if this protest did actually block ambulances from reaching their destination, it would have been mentioned in the article? Also it's made pretty clear that they were cooperating with police.
I'm saying being caught in traffic isn't traumatic because that's the worst case scenario reality of what went down today. And when the government's options are a massive brawl over the expressway with loads of protesters or shut down lanes of traffic, I can certainly see why the state would choose the option that just leads to a small disruption instead of a huge one. Plus it helps avoid that trauma of being stuck surrounded by chaotic protesters you fear oh so much.
If this was easily avoidable then how would anyone see the protest? Seems like a huge waste of everyone's time.
No they wont.
I like how you're being super condescending about fearing being caught in a crowd of angry protestors consumed by mob mentality cut off from law enforcement, as if there aren't tons of examples of protestors bearing on people's cars, breaking shit, getting in fights and sparking shootings during marches. The state also has the option of just arresting people who walk onto a freeway and telling them to protest somewhere else instead but including that wouldn't really help your point so I can see why you forget about it.
Because it made a shitload of noise and controversy in the news anyway.
That has never been how riots have worked, it's not the protest that is meant to change the average person's mind
So wait, to change the average persons mind you should start rioting? Is that what you're saying?
"Plus it helps avoid that trauma of being stuck surrounded by chaotic protesters you fear oh so much."
No you were just being condescending about a hypothetical scenario in which you actually were confronted with protestors.
...What??? I said riots and protest AREN'T meant to do that
Unless my brain has completely broken that is not at all what you just posted.
yes it is, I said that getting people on a causes side has never been how riots worked. I then continued saying that protests are not meant to get win people over. Now can we move on?
Then why did you even bring up riots?
And if this isnt supposed to win people over, whats it for then?
What are you talking about.
It's to get attention
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