12 hours shifts is good pay though. Granted it doesn't belong everywhere but in the security business we work 12 hour shifts for maximum security coverage around the clock.
Trying to bring back "arbeit macht frei" it seems.
The problem is likely that the people don't have any say in it. I know I'd be pretty pissed if my working day got extended 150% and I had no say in the matter.
A 40 hour work week would be nice. I average a 50-60 hour week as it is and i am salaried.
ya but you end up with people spending half their life at work, and this comes before overtime
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Oh no.
Our company is all sorts of fucked up however and is definitely guilty of extending shifts past 8 hours a day. And you don't even get paid extra, if you work overtime... like, what do you want? Get back to work, peasant! Some of our men sometimes get home after midnight and they don't really get any extra money. If you work long enough then you can take a day off, but the people in charge of our company like to promise pretty much all our clients that everything will be done a month or two ahead of the original schedule. So they work people to death as if there's some sort of imaginary deadline set at the end of the week and if they don't manage to finish it on time then... Nothing happens. Not a single fucking thing. Life goes on, work goes on, because we're still at least a month ahead of the fucking schedule.
A bunch of our people have already quit over this, because they work 10+ hours a day, but never get any extra money. They even went on strike last month and the big honchos promised them a raise, which calmed them down some, however the men found out they weren't paid even a third of what was promised.
That's fucked up. It is fucked up especially because of our company pretty much depending on these guys, they're the ones doing the manual work, they're the ones building stuff, if they go then the rest of the company falls apart, because currently there's a massive shortage of laborers.
Except that nobody is forced to work a 12 hour day. This is getting blown out of proportions "because evil right wing government" even though the previous left wing government wanted to do the same. The regular 8 hour day stays, this literally just givers people the opportunity to be more flexible.
The right-wing government, comprised of Kurz's conservative People's
Party (ÖVP) and the far-right Freedom Party (FPÖ), argued that the
changes to the labor laws are needed in order to give businesses more
flexibility.
Fuck off, anyone who needs to know if this is a good idea only have to look at any country of south Europe. In fact, working more hours makes you being more improductive. We must aim for a reduction, as the progress of technology and automation have made that many of the hours we make across the week on a 40 hour per week are redundant, only to satisfy the stereotype of "a good worker work for long time periods".
Austrian people, don't allow this to pass. We in Spain made it ( together with more measures to make our economy "more competitive" ) and is making our lives miserable.
For sure, I'm just pointing out that some proffessions actually run more effectively when they have longer shifts. Not all, but some. I work ten hours a day and I'm only allowed to work five days in a row + I get five days off afterwards.
Twelve hours is no doubt very long but it's not the end of the world. Unions and local councils/committees can always present things to even the burden.
Austria may not be Sweden but both countries are european and, as far as I know, share the same work principles and ethics.
12 hour work day will drive anyone mad. Working during peak at Fed-Ex as a package handler where weeks could get to 60 hours was a goddamn nightmare. You will be reduced to nothing but a lethargic zombie.
Im pretty strict with work hours at work. When I first started there the employee handbook says the office hours are 8:30 to 6. I said "Fuck that" from day 1, and I leave at a HARD 5 unless I get caught up in work and lose track of time. I try to compensate by getting there at 8 instead (I value my evenings more than my mornings)
In summer of 2016 we were so damn overloaded we worked 10 hour days including saturdays. I swear I worked 4 or 5 months straight without a single god damn saturday off. Worst part was about 3 months we was in a 3 story building in 100+ degree days where the AC WASN'T SHIT and we got fukcall breaks aside from lunch. At that point theres so much traffic and you never can get anything important done or do shit because it's already late afternoon and you're turned into a extremely exhausted zombie who can't get rest because all you get is one day off and then it's straight back to being overworked.
When I was 18 and bought a car. I worked 48-60 hours a week. For 2 years and it sucked. It basically isolated me from family and friends.
The maximum monthly average will still be "only" 48 hours, which is on par with several other countries and is the maximum in the EU.
This won't mean that everyone will suddenly work 12 hours every day for a 60 hour week.
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Maybe it's just because we're a small company, but how the hell do companies get away with not paying overtime?
I don't even want people doing overtime since it's like 50% more expensive, and employees are already annoyed about there being overtime at all. Not to mention our 8 hours is actually 7,5 hours since the employer pays for the lunchtime (that part's the law).
Don't think it's the country, there's plenty of companies not paying overtime and regularly doing 60 hour work weeks around here too, but how the hell do you even tell employees "we'll be doing unpaid overtime for x days" and retain them? Am I just not enough of an asshole or something?
Wouldn't 3x8 work just as well?
I am technically a "48 Hour" week, but I also had to sign a document saying i would work if required over the statuary maximum.
This is important. Even if required working hours are the same, moving the boundary of what constitutes overtime will reduce effective pay rate. People will then need to take on more hours.
I've done agency work in a factory when I was younger, and experienced the fucked up games they play to try and keep those overtime rates out of reach. This feels familiar
Maximum monthly averages are horseshit. If you are working on a zero hour contract, as a lot of people are, you come in when you are asked to come in; or you suddenly discover the true meaning of "zero hours".
With all the technological developments over the past 200 years we should have been scaling down the hours worked. Instead we're just working people harder and longer for lower wages, whilst the owners of the machines become increasingly richer.
This is a completely fucked system and one that can't be sustained.
I misread the headline and started sweating for a moment there.
Best of luck our similarly named friends.
How the fuck are some of you people fucking defending this law? It's literally a human rights violation.
No it's not???
24 hour shifts are even better pay. /s
12 hour shifts doesn't give you more coverage, what the fuck are you talking about? just hire 1/3rd more people and give them 8 hour shifts, boom problem solved by kindergarten math.
im not sure the people defending this realise that with 8 hours of sleep this would give people 4 hours of free time a day (actually less because that doesn't include preparation and transport)
this is NOT fucking healthy
I'm not working twelve hours even if someone offers to give me a handsy under the table.
Yeah. Add to that some people have kids, people have to prepare their own meals...
Why care about health when you can have a little more extra money that you don't even have time to spend on anything??
I like to work. I've worked twelve hour shifts.
They will drive you insane. Especially back to back.
Yeah this is nuts. I'm of the opinion that even the 8hr day/40hr week is too much at this point.
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