The addition of actual rules against posting news threads with bad sources had a very positive impact on these forums.
These forums acted as great news feeds with user controlled filtering, however with the apparent abolishment of source quality guidelines I think we'll be seeing a drop in quality and reliability of these forums as legitimate news feeds.
I think the guidelines should stay for news threads. It shouldn't be okay to post threads with bad sources, or to post equally badly sourced "bait" news only to get a reaction from the community - this just isn't what a news section is for.
Moved to meta
Since the sticky in PD was locked I guess we can continue here.
The big issue with the status quo isn't people making obvious shitposts like badage boys or theonion. It's people posting intentionally misleading or biased news articles, opinion pieces or videos that subtly distort reality to rile people up against something.
It's what the alt right has been doing on Reddit for years now to gain supporters. The rules we established regarding sources and opinion pieces were intended to prevent this from happening. The same goes for Tudd-tier posters that keep skirting the rules with intentionally ignorant posts, and the no-shitposting rules that were removed.
The issue aren't the obvious protest threads and posts people make, they are almost always extreme hyperboles to point out a problem. It's the more subtle instances that need to be considered. Unfortunately, Garry, Hezzy and parts of the moderator team keep interpreting these protests literally.
On the "use common sense" thing on whether or not you should post x thing is that common sense is highly subjective and not actually objective, Clearly stated rules are what are needed, not vague things like "common sense" and "use your brain"
I miss the old bias rules. It helped cut down on a lot of the terrible articles that people discuss at face value until someone posts the mediabiasfactcheck and everyone sees that the source is crap.
The fact you need mediabiasfactcheck to know a source is crap is really concerning, maybe you should use your brain.
Easier and generally more accurate to assume people are morons and legislate accordingly tbh :v
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How can you imply that people are dumb because they liked knowing the quality of the sources without having to spend time researching individually?
Not everyone is well acquainted with sources, and it's very convenient to know that bad articles are filtered out by the system (i.e. the rules)
That's just a complete toxic shitpost you made, with no consideration of what the actual users think.
Implying that you can't spend the 5 minutes to Google it yourself?
As it sits the rules regarding factual and neutral sources still stand In SH/PD. They are clearly written in the Sickies of each section, and have not changed save the addition of opinion pieces in PD (which has it's own guidelines as well). If you see something that you know to be a false source report it, we'll make the call whether or not to close it. As for people being banned we are still given the discretion to make bans where needed, something I've already covered in forum discussion.
Time to think for yourself
Of course everyone can sit down and Google everything themselves, but the point is that we had a system where that wasn't needed.
I'm not fundamentally against the change of rules or anything, but I really did like FP's news rules and I just wish they'll stay the same.
You're jumping into a thread and making random shitposts that add nothing of value.
There's no reason to be provocative like that in a completely civil discussion thread. You're not even making any arguments, you're just provoking people for no reason.
And I'm getting some mixed signals here. Seems like you and Unclejimmema don't really share the same views of this.
The rules in regards to what can be posted haven't changed. The stickies are literally the exact same as old punch, the only difference is you wont get banned for it in most cases. That doesn't mean we can't close the thread. Report those kinds of posts and we'll take care of them.
On the opinion thread thing: Can we get the lengths that titles can be for threads to be longer? because sometimes the title of the article is long and you can't fit in "opinion piece" after the title.
or make a thread icon specifically for opinion articles and nothing else, I dunno.
I also miss the mandatory TL;DR snippet. Recently most threads are just the headline and a single sentence generated by the embed.
I'm not gonna visit the source to find out what happened, especially since it can turn out to be clickbait now.
I'm finding SH and Polidicks to be way less fun to keep up with now, and that's a problem with how inactive the forum is getting.
These are things that we've kind of got to wait on Garry for. make a mention in FD as he does read that from time to time.
ah I figured, just wanted to mention it
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