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It looks like Arm Limited is going on the offensive against the RISC-V open-source processor instruction set architecture.
ARM has launched RISCV-Basics.com as a site to "understanding the facts" about the RISC-V architecture.
Their five points they try to make before designing a SoC is that
the ISA accounts for only a small portion of the total investment to
creating a commercial processor, RISC-V doesn't yet have an a large
developer ecosystem, there is the risk of fragmentation with this
open-source ISA, RISC-V is new and thus not yet as mature in terms of
being a proven architecture around security, and greater design costs
with RISC-V due to potential re-validation if modifying the ISA.
ARM then, of course, pedals their Arm DesignStart service as "the
fastest, simplest route to proven IP" and to design custom SoCs with
confidence using their architecture.
It will be interesting to see if this is a one-off shot at RISC-V or
if ARM will continue going on the offensive against this open-source
processor ISA that many view as hopeful for open-source but to date is
just one primary (and expensive) developer board.
https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ARM-RISC-V-Facts
I don't see how ARM ltd can feel threatened by RISC-V, considering it's not even a mobile processor.
ARM wants to break into the server market.
ARM is just as evil as intel
I'm loving how pissy they're getting with this.
Western Digital moving from ARM to RISC-V for hard drive controllers was probably a wake-up call that they're going to be losing business on the low-end of the market.
https://www.anandtech.com/show/12133/western-digital-to-develop-and-use-risc-v-for-controllers
While Intel is definitely leading the industry in being a dick for the processor space it's not like they have a monopoly on it, it's honestly hard to think of a single major company that hasn't done something ridiculously anti-consumer at some point.
I don't really see anything wrong or unethical about this... They've got a product and they want people to buy it, so they made an advertisement explaining why they think their product is better. It's not like they're trying to sue a competitor with a baseless lawsuit to strangle it in the cradle
Ads like these generally have an opposite effect on me at least. If you have to try and put down the competition in an attempt to make yourself look good, it just signals to me that your product can not compete on merit alone.
Maybe some consider it poor form, but a great many brands do this exact kind of advertising (Apple/PC, Samsung/iPhone, Coke/Pepsi), etc. It's totally fair game
ARM’s real business is the licensing of intellectual property blocks. Thetechnology is secondary. The real risk to ARM is not the ISA itself, but the open nature of RISK-V.
I didn't know riskv existed until now, thanks arm
RISC-V is very good, and the existing boards can already run stuff like UE4.
How does it prevent the same problem that ARM has?
ARM is open, doesn't really require non-free binary blobs for the CPU, and whatnot. However, ARM devices in practice are still coupled with hardware that requires non-free shit to work (in some cases e.g. rasp pi, to even boot.) The spec itself is fine, but the companies with the actual ability to manufacture the boards don't play ball.
I have hope in RISC-V, and not just for low power applications, some companies are already working on full-sized desktop processors, and I can imagine it causing a paradigm shift in the next 10-15 years due to the competition it's open nature could spawn, making x86-64 a relic of the past
Huh, I was never aware that ARM CPUs now have their own thing.
But I'm still not really sure how it'll be prevented in the future, by its very nature, it seems open to things like this.
Ofc, the lack of licensing fees is still nice. So even if RISC-V took off, and the major companies making chips are blobalicious, it should still be easier for open-source/smaller companies to put out something decent and usable.
Risc-V, more like Risky!
please hire me AMD
ARM does have their own Intel ME equivalent, in fact AMD uses it.
I don't recall that happening. I know there was a demo recently of an OpenPOWER system running UE4, but I haven't heard of a RISC-V CPU powerful enough for that.
Right yeah it was OpenPOWER my B.
To be fair, all of their criticisms for RISC-V are completely valid.
However, they're only going to be valid for a little while. As the platform grows, it'll mature, and then most of these concerns will be solved.
That said, Western Digital is admittedly taking a pretty bold step by using RISC-V in production with the state RISC-V is currently in. It's no secret that nothing with RISC-V is finalized yet.
There is literally nothing wrong with pointing out the shortcomings or potential issues of your competitors, so long as you're honest.
Is taking a website called “RISCV-Basics” honest? I don’t think so.
Nah definitely not the most honest website, I was just responding to that post tho.
arm-basics.com
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/07/10/arm_riscv_website/
Up in arms! Arm kills off its anti-RISC-V smear site after own staff revolt
This is Intel-tier. I work in the industry and one of my colleagues was on the design teams for some of the lower-power ARM processors (M0+, M4, M7, A7). We were talking about RISC-V the other day, and both think it is fucking awesome. How embarrassing.
Nowadays whenever someone wants to "educate" you or state you "facts" they're lying out of their ass and you should do as opposite as possible of what they say
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