One year old appears before immigration court in Arizona
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http://time.com/5332740/immigration-judge-boy/
PHOENIX — The 1-year-old boy in a green button-up shirt drank milk from a bottle, played with a small purple ball that lit up when it hit the ground and occasionally asked for “agua.”
Then it was the child’s turn for his court appearance before a Phoenix immigration judge, who could hardly contain his unease with the situation during the portion of the hearing
where he asks immigrant defendants whether they understand the proceedings.
“I’m embarrassed to ask it, because I don’t know who you would explain it to, unless you think that a 1-year-old could learn immigration law,” Judge John W. Richardson told the lawyer
representing the 1-year-old boy.
The boy is one of hundreds of children who need to be reunited with their parents after being separated at the border, many of them split from mothers and fathers as a result of the
Trump administration’s “zero-tolerance policy.” The separations have become an embarrassment to the administration as stories of crying children separated from mothers and kept
apart for weeks on end dominated the news in recent weeks.
In Phoenix on Friday, the Honduran boy named Johan waited over an hour to see the judge. His attorney told Richardson that the boy’s father had brought him to the U.S. but that they
had been separated, although it’s unclear when. He said the father, who was now in Honduras, was removed from the country under false pretenses that he would be able to leave with
his son.
For a while, the child wore dress shoes, but later he was in just socks as he waited to see the judge. He was silent and calm for most of the hearing, though he cried hysterically
afterward for the few seconds that a worker handed him to another person while she gathered his diaper bag. He is in the custody of the U.S. Health and Human Services Department
in Arizona.
Richardson said the boy’s case raised red flags over a looming court-ordered deadline to reunite small children with their families. A federal judge in San Diego gave the agency until
next Tuesday to reunite kids under 5 with their parents and until July 26 for all others.
Richardson repeatedly told the Immigration and Customs Enforcement attorney who was acting as the prosecutor that he should make note of the cases involving young children
because of the government’s obligation to meet the reunification deadline. The attorney said he wasn’t familiar with that deadline and that a different department within ICE handled
such matters.
ICE spokeswoman Jennifer Elzea said the attorney was familiar with the injunction but didn’t know the specifics of the timeline requirements off the top of his head “and did not want
to misspeak about any timeline commitments without that knowledge.”
In the end, Johan was granted a voluntary departure order that would allow the government to fly him to Honduras so that he could be reunited with his family. An attorney with the
Florence Project, an Arizona-based nonprofit that provides free legal help to immigrants, said both his mother and father were in Honduras.
Does the right to an attorney apply for all people per the 14th? 🤔
Illegal immigrants do not have the right to a public defender in immigration hearings, in the US. There have been cases of toddlers being made to represent themselves in immigration court, as massive and obvious a farce that is.
Immigration court and criminal court follow different rules. An illegal immigrant hauled in front of a judge for petty theft, not deportation, would have a constitutional right to a public defender free of charge.
Please defend this someone
In the end, Johan was granted a voluntary departure order that would allow the government to fly him to Honduras so that he could be reunited with his family. An attorney with the
Florence Project, an Arizona-based nonprofit that provides free legal help to immigrants, said both his mother and father were in Honduras.
Well that's good in any case, but let's hope it actually goes through properly however, and that they don't just dump him in some ditch...
Gorsuch and other originalists would likely argue that it's not a constitutional right, and the orange lantern's about to pick another one today.
It's more efficient and easy to just underfund the nation's public defenders, at least in areas that handle lots of illegal immigrants. Sure, you got a constitutionally-appointed free lawyer, but you have 20 minutes with him and he's on the verge of a mental breakdown from the workload and barely understands the details of your case, so good fucking luck with "representation", Pedro!
That this would harm American citizens who need the services of public defenders is acceptable collateral in the name of sticking it to the illegals and whiny Dems.
obviously must be a mst3k spy full of weed like a pinata!
/s of course
Yes, and this is one of the things we should change immediately whenever it's possible to do so, as it is being abused exactly because it is separated in such a way.
dont wanna have (Insert scumbag trump action) happen to you? don’t come here illegally!!!!!!!
^ that and some skewed/not actually that bad statistics about immigrant crime are the only arguments they have against this shit. It’s just an excuse for them to not let those dirty evil murderous Mexicans into our country
Fucking unimaginable, like I'm not even sure what to think at this point. Absolute loss of words would be an accurate description.
That and the old classic 'fake news'/'crisis actor' diversion.
I am not sure how you would be able to blame a 1 year old in this situation. If you somehow defend that this event that had occurred was in any way okay, I would hope you re-examine your life and morals because at that point we aren’t discussing justice or the morality of this situation. Being a bystander and viewing this event as morally corrupt is not okay, since it allows the disturbing act of young children going to trial to continue. Even the judge was disturbed from what was happening. I don’t know where this country is heading, but separating young children from their parents in such defunct way to deport illegal immigrants shouldn’t have happened. If the country was going to deport them, I don’t understand why they weren’t deported together with their families. Couldn’t anyone see the possibility, with so many cases, of how bad this can get? My 2 cents on this issue.
Of course they could see how bad this could get, that was the whole idea. Look if you come into our country illegally, we're going to separate you from your children and keep them. They'll go to court without a defender, yes even your kid still in diapers. Don't worry, if you seek asylum, just come in through the ports of entry. Oh by the way we're closing the ports of entry. Because fuck ya'll
I mean that just isn't factually supported
the US could support a lot more people if the spending was re-allocated in an effective way
The issue isn't numbers, volume, or capacity. It's desire. There is no political desire to reform the systems that have lead to such an imagined crisis. The crisis of immigration is real, currently,
but only due to factors entirely within the governments control to change and improve.
The US has a negative birth rate. Without immigration continuing to flow into the US, the US won't have an available labour market in the future.
There's some very real concerns about immigration to be had, but not many of them are founded upon the bedrock that "there's just too many people".
they aren't actually courts under the justice system, these are courts in name only and are under the executive branch for some unfathomable reason
Oh yeah there was an article I glanced about that, the SCOTUS should really get on that cut and dry government branch issue.
This reads like a joke.
All that is left is to cuff him and watch the handcuffs comicaly fall to the floor.
November, 2018: 6-month-old to appear before court
January, 2019: 2-week-old to appear before court
May, 2019: 20-second-old fetus to appear before court.
2nd Advent of High-Inquisitor Trump, 2020: Spermatozoa to appear before grand court
You do know how competitive and hard it is to find almost any job, right?
That isn’t due to immigrants for Christ sakes
thats automation. A process occurring for 40 or more years
But as the rate of automation increases isn't it beneficial to have a negative birth rate? So that the population remains commensurate to the need for human labour, something that is in decline?
What's an "effective way"?
I agree that the budget isn't being spent efficiently, but I do have to worry about what an uncontrolled influx of people would mean for the country financially. As long as we have any sort of social safety net that benefits the poor at the expense of the rich, uncontrolled immigration is unsustainable, unless the people coming in have the exact same wealth distribution as the rest of the population. In the current state of things, immigrants make up a higher proportion of the poor and impoverished: https://www.irp.wisc.edu/publications/focus/pdfs/foc262e.pdf
I would happily support open borders if the safety net programs were downsized or gotten rid of. Or if opening up the borders would have some other effect that corrects for the rate of increase of poor citizens we're currently seeing.
That being said, though, the way the Trump administration is handling immigration is absolute trash.
Automation is only some of it, and should never be mentioned without the rest. The rest of it is outsourcing
Immigrants didn't come in and steal all the jobs. The wicked nasty left didn't regulate all the jobs out of existence
It was simply better for the bottom line for the companies once providing all those jobs to automate whatever they could and outsource what they couldn't
Why bother having a modest profit margin employing five thousand American workers when you could just outsource all your labor to a third world country with no labor protections and functionally nonexistent pay and get a huge profit margin?
Why bother hiring on native agricultural workers when you can exploit immigrant labor and reduce your overheads?
Why the hell would you hire twenty factory welders when a single robot does it it three times as fast, never sleeps, and requires no pay?
Why hire four hundred coal diggers when you could buy one excavator and hire maybe five guys to operate and maintain it?
Workers, and especially workers with things like civil and labor rights, are kind of expensive
Corporations exist to make money and reduce overhead costs. Workers bring a lot of overhead costs with them, especially in nations like the US where there's things like worker safety regulations
But I didn’t state it should be uncontrolled, just that immigrants aren’t the biggest issue and the demographics in the us are trending towards a negative birth rate.
That depends on whether or not you just consider humans to be mechanisms of the market.
Productivity per capita and overall production increase because of automation and you're saying that's a problem that needs to be alleviated by reducing the population?
This is absurd, there's more goods being output per person than ever before but the conclusion many have as a result is that people should tighten their belt? The issue purely stems from lacking redistribution of wealth.
This is the kind of thinking you end up with when you give in to the notion that employment is a resource for the workers rather than for the employer.
It doesn't even make sense from the companies' standpoint. Who's going to buy those additional goods if the overall pool of money that circulates downwards towards potential consumers is reduced?
I wonder how the judge feels, i mean he must see how absurd this is. After all they are just humans too.
no because anybody that's worked in a factory knows automation is just a job shifting thing, it still requires oversight, engineering support, and outside maintinence as well as possibly expanded capacity elsewhere to soak up the increased production.
that's if its even working, I've seen some pretty shitty automation
Ah I see, thank you.
Automation is 100% not job shifting. It's not the same as the industrial era anymore.
Automation is already gouging jobs in some sectors.
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