• "How Late Night Comedians Hurt America"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mM7L7DNUTcw Videos like these are ironically scary as hell, because they so easily manipulate people into believing others are the ones that manipulate when in actuality it is and of itself using specific language and dark tones as well as loose and manipulated facts to cast a completely unfair portrayal while posing as a moderate when they're really really not. And people are lapping it the fuck up. Fucking DeSinc of all people is down in the comments agreeing with it. It's these kind of underhanded and yet so effective tactics these days that make me lose all hope in there ever being an effective defense against radicals and their destructive ideals...
It's probably better not to give these sorts of people more views if you don't agree with them
Although this video takes "the point" to a (arguably logical) extreme end, it's hard not to feel in sync with it notionally. I mean, what Dave Chapelle says here isn't by and large too many shades off of where this video starts out at. https://youtu.be/oeXTB5gYHNQ
I haven't seen the other shows, but the amount of research done for John Oliver's show is insane. You can really tell they're dedicated to being as factual as possible, about as far from being lazy and manipulative as you can get.
While I wouldn't call it an organised conspiracy (in fact - and in some ways I'm quite proud I can finally say this - it's like a stand alone complex), he is right in a sense that it's not productive. It's the equivalent of a political dumb zinger. I regularly see people online debating politics who argue by posting John Oliver videos. And this isn't something recent. This sort of attitude on both side for years have contributed to to political divide. Newspaper political comics have been like this for years with right-leaning cartoonists mocking liberals and liberals mocking right-wingers. This smugness is found on both sides of the divide. Go take a look at /pol/ or one of the many right-wing political youtube channels if you want to see right-wingers being as smug as John Oliver and co. Part of this I think is driven by advertising click-per-view. Both left and right wing news gets their money from each click, so they deliberately foster the divide, knowing both their own audience and their opposition will rock out for the outrage. You should not delude yourself into thinking only the right manipulates people. The right might be far less wholesome about it, but the left and their corporate interests are just as interested in the profitable political divide.
dude when i think about what really hurts this great nation, i don't think about the child concentration camps, the mass shootings, or our incarceration rate, I think about late light comedians, because that's where the real issues are.
Surely this is a pisstake. Come on.
Which begs the question why post it.
Because I want people to be aware of this kind of video. Perhaps it's not the best idea to give clicks, but I think it's more important that people are able to recognize it is what it is and not to watch any more of this kind of video then to let them watch it just once. It's not like this is an organized conspiracy or something, but it's pretty clear the video is made in a specific and powerfully worded way with a bit too strong of a message, lumping in a bunch of left wing comedians and pinning some of the worse on some of the better ones in a bid to discredit all of them. It's why I put that blurb below describing the video to let you decide to watch it for yourself or not. As for the actual content of the video itself it's not entirely wrong, Download is right in that a lot of just comes down to dumb political zingers that don't actually contribute anything, and for the most part they are definitely bent towards the left, but it's not like it's insidious or anything like the video portrays. They're just comedy shows. Some find them funny, others don't. It just so happens its really easy to make a political comedy show funny considering the current world today. It's just this video portrays them as completely evil and like we're living in some sort of leftist dystopia...
That's a lot of text that completely misses the point that this is literally nothing new. This ALWAYS happens with polarizing presidents. Always. The only difference here is the potential for the >concept< to be widely disseminated ... for now, and equal chance for counter-concepts to be aimed directly at those who critique. The only ACTUAL procedural change is millennials and Zs think that anything is above comedy or critique. And the very simple objective societal truth is nothing is. Internet leftists decry Trump's + companies' zoning off of subjects and rights and avenues of grwoth while at the very same time saying some/other subjects are sacred sacrosanct and beyond critique. Nope. Nothing is above critique. Race, religion, sex, gender, nothing. Nothing is above examination and by logical extension deconstruction, and to do that, it has to happen to any venue, BOTH sides of it, and right or wrong has shit to do with it. You arrive at the actual truth by taking things apart and putting them back together. Limiting that in any measure is a disservice to those that come after you, much less you.
This reminds me of that Sinclair propaganda video "extremely dangerous to our democracy" these people have negative self awareness.
While I agree with most of this post, there is a huge gap between political comedy (usually hyperbolic with the intent of entertainment) and effective critique (usually as accurate as possible). There is a great difference between examining a thing and exposing it to amendment and possible destruction, to ridiculing a thing not entirely engaged (because sometimes doing so ruins the joke or lowers entertainment). Where are you also taking this view that milenials and gen Z dudes think some concepts are sacred and should neither be mocked nor critiqued? If anything internet memes seem to be doing the exact opposite of this.
As ridiculous as the video is, the conclusion in particular, I find their follow up Comment Review to be quite illuminating. This part in particular. I'm not really interested in what they find funny, partly because it has zero relevance outside of their personal preferences and partly because I actually agree that these shows aren't very funny to me. The important bit is where one of the guys (the one narrating the video, I believe) calling these late night routines "making fun of half the country". For the sake of argument lets just assume that he meant half of the people who voted, which would be far less than half the country. I find it very interesting to see him internalizing criticism against Trump, as if an attack on the administration and it's actions are an attack on everyone who voted for them. There are a lot of choice quotes in this video, but I find this one to be the most informative of what kind of viewpoints we are dealing with in videos like these. When a guy who vociferously supports Donald Trump decries people like Steven Colbert for cultivating an atmosphere of toxicity ready for exploitation by political powers who want to gain power through division. He is so close.
There is a much higher ratio of "you can't talk about ____" compared to "Did you see ____, that's some ol bullshit, yo" than there has been in the past, until we get to like, the 50s, incidentally when McCarthyism was a thing. A definite swing.
It's too late, you're recommendeds are already infected
Even then, Trump got less than half the vote, and his approval rating is currently less than 1 third.
"this persons opinions are stupid therefore let me share it with everyone else" either you're part of this and are pretending not to be or you're an idiot
Look the show is good, I may not enjoy any of the jokes, but it's clear they put on a good show and it's very informative. but you can't say it doesn't have a significant lean. And I don't mean the "facts = liberal" stuff either. They're like if Vox made a late night show.
Not everything everyone shares is something they endorse. He's sharing this to say "look how fucking stupid this is". Don't try and imagine enemies and villains where there literally aren't any. This is useless divisive shit.
I resent these people being called comedians.
Too fucking bad they are literally comedians and are probably better at it then you’d be willing to acknowledge
Oh yeah, it totally has a bias, and a heavy liberal spin, but the information presented is at least well researched and informative.
OP's video is correct in that late shows don't breed discourse, but the purpose of the shows is not discourse, its entertainment. But the issue isnt late shows making joke about the news, its news shows that have abdicated their responsibility to create balanced discourse and instead become opinion columns and shock jockeys (Bill O'Reilly, Tucker Carlson, Rachel Maddow, etc.) Jon Stewart really makes this point great when he was brought on Crossfire. The sad thing is, today, crossfire would probably make a killing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFQFB5YpDZE
have you been under a rock for 10 years or what
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-07-03/teen-taken-at-u-s-border-tells-of-icebox-cages-with-60-girls You must not be paying attention then.
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Do you really believe people are this fucking stupid Like, are you kidding right now?
O'Reilly and Carson, absolutely. Maddow? No.
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