Sadly Yes, Since ever recent events with Russia occupied one of their land and volunteering Pro-Russian rebels. Led more of Ukrainian population (sans Russo-Ukrainians duh) joined two Noncanonical Eastern Orthodox churches and Ukrainian Greek Catholic church than Canonical autonomous one as result.
Why?
A faith that is suppose to be timeless shouldn't bend to contemporary politics.
You idiot, that's fucking mental. To be beholden to that ideal we'd have to roll back society several hundred years to befit the aspects of the old and new testament we discarded in favour of social progress. Religion has modified and changed itself before, it shall change again.
I agree that's why their church shouldn't be beholden to Russia but instead Patriarchs of Rome, Istanbul, Antioch, Jerusalem, and Alexandria.
Except it has. The Russian Orthodox Church is basically an organ of the Russian Government at this point.
I agree. But breaking off as completely independent isn't in line to what it has historically been.
Culture marches on or gets trampled underfoot. If the church will not separate itself as the Ukraine has, it will be forgotten by the people. Or a whole new system of faith or branch of Christianity will be established. You cannot hold back a rushing tide.
Neither is the Russian Church.
Slow down, they aren't changing their dogma, only their church hierarchy.
They aren't yet, but if the church hierarchy does refuse to yield like you claim I wouldn't be surprised if it changes things significantly. No guarantees, but it's a possibility. My point is that history has shown that faith is far from concrete. It's interpretive and malleable, like all social
structures.
As far as I am aware, all Orthodox Christianity hold themselves to the same dogma regardless of patriarch. This won't change anything.
They aren't going to rewrite the bible because they broke from Moscow.
Did not stop them from rewriting history to favor nationalism.
history is written by the victors my dude
see church of england.
also the church has become a rubber stamp for putin as he's enjoyed enormous support from evangelicals. (sound familiar?) its already given up any mantle of morality by regressing to a political arm of putin's russia
Ukrainian independence from Russia isn't in line to what it has historically been.
No religion is timeless. Religion is also inextricably tied to politics.
They did back in 1652-66 with Raskol (or Russian Liturgical Schism) as mild portion of former members (who eventually become Old Believers denomination) disagree changes of was written made by Patriarch Nikon to get in their times.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raskol
Church of England shouldn't be sponsored by the government, that was one of the big deals for America during the revolution: disestablishment.
But still pissed off small former portion them anyway.
first of all, go learn LEGIT history about campaign of WW2 in Ukraine, then see who and where was welcoming who, what it led to, and why nazi collaboration is a bad thing.
Second, does not even worth it, you somehow assumed i have some fondness of Stalin, therefor you are clearly uninformed, trigger happy dummy who's glad to lash out a "baddy russian" without even doing a minumal research on topic of WHAT exactly Ukraine has changed about own image in history.
I believe you might poseses some adult autonomity to learn on those topics yourself.
get out of here and do your homework.
and yet here in the US we're 1 step away from state sponsored evangelicalism
Leave it to Karimatrix to derail a thread about Ukrainian Orthodoxy into discussing Bandera
Heavy influence from the church is not the same thing as an established church; in the UK, the Church of England has permanent seats in the House of Lords and priests receive a wage from (as far as I know) taxpayer dollars. I assume things are similar in Russia and Ukraine.
No?
So the church isn't established in Ukraine? I thought that was the issue at hand in the article: that an established Russian orthodoxy is exerting Russian influence on Ukrainian politics.
It's more like it is in America, churches obviously have a high degree of influence over the public, but we don't have any priests in parliament
For thousands of years, the Catholic Church and Orthodox Churches have had the same dogma. How dogma is practiced may change, but the beliefs themselves have not.
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