• Mandalay Bay owners sue victims of Las Vegas mass shooting
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https://nypost.com/2018/07/17/mandalay-bay-owners-sue-victims-of-las-vegas-mass-shooting/ The corporate owners of the Mandalay Bay casino filed suit against the victims of last year’s Las Vegas concert mass shooting, claiming it has no liability for the massacre, according to a published report on Monday. MGM Resorts International went to federal courts in Nevada and California and took on more than 1,000 shooting victims, saying claims against the hotel giant “must be dismissed.” “Plaintiffs have no liability of any kind to defendants,” the complaints argue, according to the Las Vegas Review-Journal. Las Vegas lawyer Robert Eglet, who is representing several victims, told the paper that the hotel’s unusual action is a pre-emptive strike to get the cases heard in federal court instead of state court. Englet said MGM must believe it has better chances of victory in a federal case. More in article Mandalay Bay guest Stephen Paddock, on Oct. 1 last year, shot out the windows of his 32nd-floor room and opened fire on fans below attending the Route 91 Harvest music festival. He killed 58 people and wounded more than 800. https://mediaassets.ktnv.com/photo/2018/01/19/Screen%20Shot%202018-01-19%20at%2010.55.53%20AM_1516388796996.png_76255810_ver1.0_640_480.jpg https://static01.nyt.com/newsgraphics/2017/10/04/las-vegas-shooting-room/1efe262ee3bbd8034eeb19826b7a23651ee63cc2/room-annotation-1050.png Of course they want the case dismissed. But they absolutely should be liable for basically letting a dude pile fucking guns in his hotel and shoot thousands.
This is America.
No, the casino is not responsible. The idea the casino had some reasonable means to prevent this is ridiculous. It should also be noted this is a counter-suit, they're not suing for a laugh. Same goes for the people suing the concert venue saying they should have done more to prevent it. This is just moronic.
This is definitely going to hurt them... ...This better be hurting their business... How is it even remotely possible for a company to be allowed this?!
Asking for dismissal is like the standard for every suit and counter-suit, it's practically a requirement.
Realistically you cannot hold the casino or venue responsible, they didn't commit the act or facilitate it. The shooter methodically hid his purpose and planned this over time, I don't think any amount of security measures at that time would have prevented this. It's kinda hard to feel bad for these people specially when there was plenty of fundraisers to cover medical costs for the injured. At this point I think it is has turned into a money grab.
If their security hadn't been dogshit the shooter wouldn't have been able to get in the building.
Why should it? Exactly what did the casino do wrong here? There aren't cameras in the room, and I'm pretty sure the guy probably brought all his weapons in hidden in luggage or cases. So why then is the casino responsible for somehow knowing he was doing it, and even if they did know, stopping him from bringing weapons into the room? As far as I'm aware just having all the weapons in there isn't illegal, and there was definitely no way for the casino to know he was about to go on a killing spree. Attack the politicians that repeatedly allow mass shootings to happen, not some random establishment that got caught in the crossfire (no pun intended).
care to explain?
How so?
Like how? Wasn't all the guns in suit cases or bag? They see thousand people a day I don't think.they could of known
A. Hotels don't typically have metal detectors at the door B. Luggage large enough to hide a weapon is extremely normal to be carrying around hotels C. Having a firearm isn't inherently illegal
He rented a room there and moved the guns up in luggage over the course of a few days. How would they have caught him? Do you want hotel security to start rifling through people's stuff? And even if they did, what would they do about it? Transporting a rifle isn't illegal in the US.
Hopefully they implement metal detectors after this tbh. Having a firearm isn't a bad thing, but this dude did have a pile of guns. There is a point where shit is very suspect, but they obviously didn't find out about the guns.
How so, would people have to go through a metal detector? A metal detector at a hotel, is that really necessary when all the people want to do is lie down and sleep after a long as hell flight. Door to door checks, would that've caught the bad guy, what about the tenant's privacy and the shear amount of rooms to check. This would be lengthy, and people would complain about their rooms being broken into. A security camera in every room of course has its own downsides. The least of which is security guards peeping into other people's business. Would a roaming guard, flailing guns around helped? It'd make tenants stressed knowing that the owners don't trust them enough that now, armed guards are looking over their sholders.
Do you want a TSA checkpoint at every hotel or something? How was this remotely preventable? I've never been in a hotel with security and I don't want hotels looking through my belongings in any capacity.
metal detectors only work if security can search bags, too, and fuck that honestly. we don't need more places turning into the TSA, where we cede even more of our right to privacy for the veneer of safety.
Well, nobody's fault but the killers' and the politicians allowing our broken gun control system to remain as it is. Certainly not the hotel's though.
I feel like the thread/article title is going to lead a lot of people into skipping the actual content of the post. The wording doesn't make it clear that it's a counter suit.
This is just as stupid as trying to sue gun companies for mass shootings. Just because Gun Co made a gun and Bullet Brothers made an accessory doesn't mean that their responsible for the actions undertaken by a free individual. Same thing for the hotel here, could've they have used metal detectors? Sure but any hotel I've ever been to doesn't use them. This is a case of someone feeling like they should be owed something they're not. I understand that many are grieving or still suffering, but it's not the hotel's fault that someone used one of their rooms to shoot out of.
As far as I can tell nothing about this guy would've prevented him from getting guns in any other country which allows guns for civilians. From what I recall he was a pretty wealthy businessman with multiple tiers of licensing. Some people just snap, dude.
Thinking about it, maybe it honestly would end up not even being used, the guards would just let everything pass through, so it'd end up just being an annoyance.
Sure, that's a fair enough argument. On that point though we could also address how poorly mental health is treated in this country. I don't think it's completely fair to say people "just snap", surely this could have been prevented somehow, whether it be through better gun control, better care for the mentally ill, or both.
I tend to lean toward mental health stigmas as well. I don't know if we ever found out why he did it, but there's no telling if he might've been warded off if people were just better about noticing signs and talking to each other. Opening up to other people is heavily stigmatized here and it's really shitty. Everyone talks about mental health reform and so on but honestly it starts at home, in the office, etc. These people quite often wouldn't really need mental hospitals or whatever if they weren't being backed into corners by societal factors that stigmatize feelings.
The only security measure that I would implement would sensors on all the windows. If a window breaks, you send armed security.
Which would also be helpful to prevent suicide if you're quick enough.
It definitely can be prevented, the only problem is that as far as I can tell there are many sides to the problem, way too many for politicians to legislate away This is partially a gun issue, though I don't think bans will change anything. I want to say better background checks will help, but it didn't stop the texas church shooting. GoP's mentality certainly doesn't help, it just makes it worse. This is also partially an education issue, it's partially a class issue, and it's partially a mental health issus. There are too many pressures for people to deal with and 'unruly' people aren't dealt with in a way that makes sense. If you're deathly sick, how can you afford bills If you're uneducated and poor, how can you afford college If you're mentally unwell with no one to care for you, how can you even fit in And then there is the education system itself, in some schools it's more like a prison and rewards bullies and blames victims.
In cases like this, you'd be sending those mall cops to their deaths unless you were willing to train them a lot better than security guards are trained right now.
This is actually amazingly clever to be honest. I certainly couldn't think of this.
While i'm don't think that we should be sending in the big guns for just a broken window, I don't think the idea of sensors for broken windows is a bad idea. Although I doubt such a sensor would be used all that much truth be told, unless someone drunk breaks it, or someone took " a leap of faith ".
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