https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3u7kDfEtKfs&t
To be clear - posting this is not a subscription to the guest's beliefs. I just thought it was interesting.
Joe Rogan tries to represent any and all sides, (unless you're a tool, in which case he's probably not going to be inviting you on) whether he agrees or likes them/their position or not, so unless you're a screechbeast snowflake you should probably try to keep an open mind.
Tudd! Is that you?!
Its more of the fact that a lot of young people listen to Joe Rogan and are easily impressionable. Which makes his audiences easy targets for the likes of Jordan Peterson and Ben Shapiro.
If you just listen to the Shapiro and Peterson and not the Whitney Cummings and Ron White podcasts, that's pretty much on you.
This place has generally jumped to the conclusion that if you share something, you agree with it. I've seen people outright state that. It is a generalization but it does seem to be a trend here.
I listened to this talk earlier today, and Schiff makes a lot of interesting arguments and points but I don't fully agree with him in a lot of areas he touched on, to the degree he goes to.
As long as they're the right wing that is.
I like his generalization that Democrats are all anti-capitalist, Socialist, rich people haters. Like damn its as if he doesn't people can have a nuanced view of society, culture, and economics.
I feel like I can speak for many Left leaning people who are not Anti-Capitalist, they just believe their are issues that we can fix, some involving social programs. There are several Capitalist based systems with flourishing economies, that also have social programs(Germany for eg).
Yeah Whitney Cummings and Ron White are closet fascists, who knew.
And therefore by extension they must be subconsciously Nazi's, they just don't know it yet.
What a fun way to look at the world around you.
Not even fucking close
Why do you have to be so a persitent liar? He regularly has tons of left wing people on and gives them platforms. Your ignorance is not an excuse. Stop being a manipulative little shit about these things.
i know you mean persistent but you misspelled partisan
I’d rather people talk about what the talk was about. Not the nature of “platforming” or “deplatforming” people.
Id love to hear an argument about why the statistics he mentions regarding black employment and employment numbers in general are wrong. He makes a strong case. Does anyone want to argue against that? I’d like it to not be true, but it probably is true.
I completely agree on the idea of listening to everything. But i also think its normal and healthy to listen to batshit insane crap, and then block it off. The thing is that most of the people watching Joe Rogan haven't exactly developed that skill of understand what is correct and incorrect.
This guys explaination for abolishing min wage basically boils down to "you shouldn't be able to survive at min wage, you need to be competitive if you want better pay.".
I don't believe that's true. I believe they have developed that ability, and do have that ability on display.
Rogans fans are a huge, widespread group of people. Some of them are surely stupid. As Rogan himself says, 1 out of every 100 people is fucking retarded. He has an audience of millions, he's going to have thousands of idiots listening to him too.
No one here has even tried to dispute the arguments Schiff brought up, and I wish they would rather than trying to make joe look out to be like he's a nazi supporter or whatever like Sparkle wants to do.
the arguments about economics that are brought up here are valuable, but we're not going to talk about those I feel.
This post really isn't far off yet people are shitting on it because he had Whitney Cummings on? Lol
When Joe has liberals on it's because they're celebrities or friends, ie their politics are not the reason they're on the show. When he brings a political guest on it's almost always a right winger and he legitimizes people who frankly should not be listened to. His second Stephen Crowder appearance was pathetic and disappointing. I'm not calling Joe some asshole right winger but the anti-SJW shtick is getting really stale and I'm finding myself annoyed at how many bottom of the barrel conservative hacks he brings on.
how about you listen to the talks?
He had Rubin on, and he ended up laughing at some of the shit Rubin was saying. he has shapiro on, and ends up disagreeing and mocking him at points.
Don't fucking watch him then, the idea that I've seen so many leftists and people like yourself that I identified with shortly ago, turn into near censorhappy ban happy moral panic freakazoids is annoying and worrisome.
There is a genuine and honest movement in the "liberal" sphere to control speech. I don't believe you can disagree with this, because you're expressing this very notion here.
He never agrees with them all the way through, he often has disagreements and questions. What are we requiring here?
Ok.. first off dude, you gotta chill the fuck out a little bit lol
I regularly listen to JRE and have heard the full talks. I acknowledge in my post that Joe occasionally challenges his conservative guests on their dumber positions, like Candace Owens on climate change. I'm just saying there is an obvious discrepancy where Joe invites on boat loads of conservative "intellectuals" while the left is only represented by the occasional female comedian saying something incredibly stupid about politics right after a discussion about their sex life.
Personally, if I see someone argue for the tactic of "deplatforming" I kind of stop caring, and want to explain that it's wrong.
People go after Joe for giving voice to the right, but we live in a time where the left doesn't really need more platforms to push it's shit. it's already pushing it on every cultural avenue there is in the west.
I have absolutely no problem with hearing shit I disagree with like this.
His talk with candace owens is a great example in all honesty. She said tons of shit that was indefensible, unreasonable, and factually incorrect. he didn't give her a platform, he fucking laughed at her and mocks her in recent episodes, gently, but all the same.
If people like Jordan Peterson hadn't been met by such a vitrolic outburst, he wouldn't be half, or even a quarter as famous or known as he is today. The outrage around him propelled him to greater fame.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6LtyFTEdis&t=1s
What? His literal words are nothing like you imply them to be, nor is what his argument amounts to what you boiled it down to.
Do you really think showing me the words I already know were used verbatim is going to strengthen your point when that literally isn't contained in the statements here?
This is quite literally you manipulating every element of every word he said to make a point he didn't fucking make.
You know what I think?
I think if you want to argue against this, quit being emotional and argue with the facts of what he said.
I didn't say anything about deplatforming ya fuckin goober, I'm just tired of every political discussion on JRE being "pronouns are crazy! The left has lost its mind!". I don't like him bringing on retard conservatives and letting them say shit like "the Trump Russia stuff is a big nothingburger. Nope, haven't found anything, haha!" (Think that was Crowder).
Are we watching the same video? Because I can give you a timestamp where he literally says these things, well minus the fuck your family part of course (6:44). His whole argument boils down to the fact that there would be more jobs at lower than min-wage levels because there are certain jobs which aren't productive enough for companies to turn a profit if paying an employee min-wage therefor they don't exist.
The fact that Joe is still in denial about the Trump Russia stuff is a big sticking point for me. It's so insanely obvious yet whenever Trump is brought up he has to put on the kiddie gloves and try to be semi-neutral now that his anti-SJW rhetoric has gathered a not-insignificant fanbase of Trump retards who recoil at even the most miniscule bit of criticism.
I don't remember every detail of the Crowder conversation, but just because he has the guy on, doens't mean he agrees, and he often states that shit out right.
This isn't even about pronouns, but cool.
People want Joe to stop being Joe. I don't know how else to put that. He has whoever the fuck he likes on. To describe him as only really giving voice to conservatives is to ignore the flood of content he puts out.
On the list of his podcasts I can look at on my phone we have:
Peter Schiff, Doug Stanhope, Candace Thompson, Israel Adesanya, Tony Rock, Josh Barnett, Theo Von, Joey diaz, Brendan Schuab, Jordan Peterson, Ted Negent, Duncan Trussel, Hamilton Morris, Ari Shaffir. How many of those people are right wing nut jobs that are persuasive enough to change the discussions going forwards? Like, 2 names pop out, and everything else should give you moment for pause at how many different perspectives are being sold here.
How many of them are left wing intellectuals? You're making my fucking point for me lmao. Find me a list of left wing political figures he's had on recently. Because without even looking I can conjure up a decent list of conservative "thinkers". IDK if you're just missing my point or what but you're coming across poorly
So deal with the argument, and not the emotions that makes you feel...?
Literally nothing you're saying here is anything but an emotional indictment of him. Cool, emotionally I'm opposed to the idea too, but I can't argue with some of the logic he laid out. Can you?
Someone wants to work extra, but cannot due to these rules regarding work, and is harmed for that. You're happy as can be to ignore, or glaze over that and go "LOOK HE'S BASICALLY SAYING FUCK YOUR FAMILY".
Sorry, I'm not going to get emotional and fall down that trap. Tell me why logically he's wrong on that situation?
My argument is that he never has left wing thinkers on the same way he spams conservatives omg read use your eyes Abyss
Except if you look at who he's interviewed over the course of this year, right wing figures outnumber left wing figures 2 to 1. Though I should also point out that non political figures outnumber that 4 to 1, the majority of the interviewees were called in for shared interests such as fighting, dieting, and drugs.
Where did I mention Nazis?
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