No prison time for Minneapolis day-care provider who tried to hang toddler - Sensationalist Headlines

http://www.startribune.com/minneapolis-daycare-provider-who-hanged-toddler-from-noose-to-be-sentenced/488290231/ I don't know how to described this.

Prove me wrong; If there were a man he'd be looking at a near maxium sentence in prison.

That really is quite a fucking story. I'd say prison would be best, but not in the US, she'll come out worse than she went in.

I've seen a lot of headlines in my eleven years on FP but this is the first to make me go https://media.giphy.com/media/l3q2K5jinAlChoCLS/giphy.gif

A judge pointed to a “perfect storm” of circumstances Monday when he spared prison for a Minneapolis home day-care operator who attempted to hang a toddler in the basement before fleeing in her minivan and leaving a trail of mayhem, seriously injuring two people. Was the judge on crack !?

More than one doctor gave the assessment that she's unlikely to reoffend, and the incident happened under circumstances that are unlikely to ever occur for her again. The judge simply agreed with the expert opinions.

Isn't this what a lot of posters on the forum said we need more of? Reformation and not "justice"

Yeah if you read the article she's not getting off scot free. Still a bit dubious how being abused by your husband is an excuse for trying to murder a child and nearly amputating a man's leg.

To everyone here, please read the article in full before posting, there is a lot of things going on here

but it seems like they're deliberately leaving out details. I have so many questions. they don't explain the extraordinary circumstances that the judge was talking about at all.

She apparently has mental health issues and her current husband is/was abusive toward her allegedly. I mean on some level I can sympathize but she hung a toddler, rammed into several cars, grabbed a man and dragged him by his neck and also hit a bicyclist who needed to have a rod inserted to avoid losing the leg.

While I agree with you, this is purely hypothetical and it's impossible to prove you wrong.

Demonstrating with some sort of legal precedent, perhaps?

You'd have to find an equal set of circumstances (just with solely the genders reversed), not just "any man hangs any toddler for any reason"

There is conflicting research on the matter. One of the popular schools of thought, however, is that you are somewhat backwards. Women NORMALLY are less likely to face conviction, less likely to be detained before trial, less likely to experience overly punitive sentencing, except in the cases where a woman goes against what is essentially her gender role. Basically if she harms children in any way, then she is super fucked normally. But that is just one school of thought there.

What purpose would prison serve if she isn't likely to reoffend? Prison isn't supposed to be some kind of deterrent.

There are innocent people in prison, even non violent marijuana related crimes in places it's legalized now, and this bitch that literally tried to lynch a toddler gets a free pass reminds me of when my 4th grade teacher lifted me by my neck choking me in front of the class and nothing happened to her at all

Good to know I can throw a noose around your neck, once.

Even without the attacks on other people this kid isn't even a year and a half old and was hanging by a noose That's awful, imagine if the guy didn't find them

FP: we need to take mental health issues more seriously in this country! also FP: fuck this mentally ill woman she should rot in jail

I don't think people that lynch toddlers were what those people you're quoting had in mind when saying mental illness needs better accommodations and treatments

I don't think I've ever seen the claim be made that women who harm children are punished more harshly than men who do the same before. Do you have any sources to provide on this?

They should be

A shitty situation where nobody wins. In spite of the appalling abuse she went through it doesn't justify her actions and that she's lost access to her chilsren and so perhaps is the closest she'll get to a punishment.

Yo, there is a huge difference between suffering from Mental Health and using it as an excuse to get away with hanging a fucking child.

I don’t think you understand how mental health issues effect people and their brains.

i feel like you're all forgetting that her name is out there now. her life as of this incident is effectively ruined, and there's no way she'll ever be getting a job easily after this

I do understand, just IMO I don't feel like it can be a reason for her to be spared jail. If this was a Male with Mental health issues, they would've probably been disregarded (regardless of how bad he suffered) and he would've still been given jail time. If a person of non-white skin colour shoots up a school or public location, they are called Terrorists. If a white person shoots up a school or public place, it is because of their mental health issues. In certain circumstances, mental health issues have been used as an excuse. You are implying what I said, applies to every person with Mental Health, which it does not.

'mental health issues' are simply a label of the pathological behaviour, its not like with catching flue where you either have flue in your body or you dont... mental state is on a spectrum and we are all somewhere on that spectrum. Its behaviour ruled by the same reasons as to why we want to eat sausages today, or decide not to. Its only really a pathology if its deemed disruptive for society or yourself. She actively chose to do this, then did it. and it is an 'excuse' in that sense, just as someone addicted to cigarettes 'chooses' to buy another pack even though they said they would quit. I don’t think she belongs in jail though, she belongs in psychiatric care.

No. People with mental health issues have actual, phyiscal differences in their brains from neurotpyical brains. From ADHD to Depression to PTSD and everything inbetween. Everyone is not "somewhere on that spectrum". With the kinds of abuse her husband was throwing at her, I do not doubt she had PTSD.