I'm terribly sorry that this is a Fox News source, but I thought it was interesting non the less.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ruFixSu0wA
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Whether you believe in the existence of visiting extra terrestrials or not it's still a cool subject. Makes one wonder what technology we have in R&D circulation and if we are indeed being visited by others.
The man speaking is Nick Pope, a confirmed MoD specialists that worked on the subject for many years, trying to find if there were defence applications that could be gained from these vehicles.
Our current understanding of physics and astronomy lead me to believe that this is more than likely just top secret recon vehicles. Space aliens? I don't think so. They would have to travel light years and sustain themselves for that amount of time which is astronomically huge distances.
If it was something major I am sure everyone would know about it by now (alien wise). For now, I am very skeptical about this report, 2 videos showing possible anomalies and an ex MoD guy talking about the 'potential' threat of them, evasive maneuvers for one.
It's just impossible from our understanding of Physics, unless the little green men can teleport
As much as I'm on the fence about the possibility of visitors I think to blow off their potential means of getting here because of our own understanding of how to do it is a little too much of an arrogant thing to do. Besides, they would likely be sending drones if it took a long time to get here.
Whether we have any real evidence of them being here is another story of course. I wouldn't even call this a report on any of those videos as they have been covered quite extensively beforehand. The video of the object peaking out of the clouds just looks like a flock of ascending birds to me though, the other one is interesting but without knowing the speeds, heights and angles it is essentially meaningless to us.
Given the shit that we do, aliens probably think we're too fucking weird to be bothered
Ah yes, To The Stars Academy, founded by that one guy from Blink 182 to build an actual UFO.
This video and part 2 (warning, >20 minute videos) go in depth quite well:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uDC894gK6o
It's beautiful to see how hard Tom Delonge has failed. His Joe Rogan interview was the disaster he needed to seal the deal.
One of those is probably just a contrail. You can see it better here:
https://youtu.be/nqi4QNFXu-c
So when is Fox going to bring in Tom Delonge as their UFO and Alien life specialist?
*craft travels in a straight line away from the camera*
"the craft made seemingly impossible manouvers"
My viewpoint on the whole ET conundrum is that given the size of the observable universe alone, and the fact that we exist and have achieved sentience, it seems to be a rather sound possibility that intelligent life might exist elsewhere. There is a possibility we are alone. I doubt we are alone. Both possibilities are equally scary.
The real question that we should all be asking ourselves when it comes to communicating with the void is should we really be advertising our existence to whatever may be listening? In my humble opinion, we may not like what we find when the void finally answers.
I don't think communicating matters to be honest. If they can get here they already know there is life on the planet.
I agree with you, I'd even go as far to say there will be intelligent life within our own Galaxy to some degree. The first thing we did when we had the technology was to start looking for habitable planets. If a planet that did not go through as many extinction events as we did was in the general vicinity it's possible they would have marked our planet down as a possibility potentially hundreds of thousands to millions of years ago.
If we really are being visited, we will be being watched like a zoo, I can only hope they enjoy our music and movies if this is the case.
This whole thing is utterly absurd, this video is just them Fox completely misconstruing the situation. Of course "ufos" are likely to be taken seriously, why would they ignore some strange phenonynon happening their airspace and causing safetly concerns and similar issues? ...but this video then twists that into "They're taking UFOs seriously, it must be Aliens!" rather than just a common sense reaction to the very real situation of there being times when things have happened in the sky that we can't quite figure out that are worth at least looking into.
Extraterrestrials are probably just a smokescreen for what ever classified aircraft major world governments are flying, you can even find some crazy design patents and design documents for saucer shaped aircraft.
I'm slightly upset that our miltaries are actually hoarding significant advances in jet propulsion technology if anything.
There are spy satellites who can probably spot that you didn't put socks on under your shoes. Military technology research can be assumed to be at least a decade ahead of what the public gets to use and see. The GPS satellite constellation used to be for military use only. The US has drone technology that can loiter at like 20,000 feet, far too high to be spotted by the naked eye from the ground, while closely monitoring a ground target indefinitely.
The hoarding has never stopped.
If aliens exist and they are aware of us and are able to get here, we had better pray with all of our hearts that they have evolved a more benevolent nature than ours. If we were in orbit around an inhabited alien planet, observing them, I give it ten years tops before a group of humans decided "fuck this, watching is for lazy virgin nerd losers" and stole a shuttle and as many heavy weapons as they could to the surface to become the planet's new kings.
I wouldn't be surprised if aliens don't exist or there are so few of them for it to be meaningless tbh.
The more I've thought about it, the more the question of 'if the galaxy has existed for 14 billion years and humans only for 200,000 and we're already reaching space, how has nobody ran into us' question comes around, and I've never agreed with pure sci-fi influenced notions like "the aliens simply don't want to bother our evolution' because that sounds like an entirely Human culturally centric point of view.
The fact we're still here on Earth is a miracle, it takes one rock to hit us and we're done, and it already happened once on this planet. One ice age and Humans would have been gone. Any sort of global extinction event: fucked, or at least set back thousands of years. Not to mention the seconds we attain a weapon that can murder each other, and I doubt even a completely alien culture would be above knocking themselves off or at the least accidentally killing themselves unless they're somehow above the idea of death.
Then consider the perfect combination of events to even make any sort of life on this planet, the fact the Earth has to be in a near perfect spot, have water, bacteria to start, and then the entire path of evolution that came before actual intelligent life walked the Earth. Then even assuming life forms somewhere else, it is entirely possible 'sentient' life as we know it, like Human building ships smart, is entirely a fluke.
Thinking of that, the idea that Aliens not only exist but they're so close and prepared to meet us that they're buzzing our planes but they're totally moe and afraid to meet us is so ridiculous that I can't even fathom it.
This has the same problem as the Great Filter. It assumes any other life will expand immediately and instantly in all directions without limitation. But life doesn't really do that. It largely sticks close together until necessity demands it move in to new territory. There are those who choose to expand alone, but they are few and far between and still tend to remain semi-localized. Very few go the whole route of literally shoving themself as far away from society as possible. And those that would are not likely to take up residence with a completely distinct society from their own instead. If we have ever been visited by extraterrestrial life, the most it would be is research and exploration, either probes and drones or very small survey teams. They'd show up, study for a bit as quietly as they can, then leave, maybe returning some time later to study a bit more to see advancement and evolution.
Depends in what time frame you are looking at this from.
I think it is correct in the assumption that life will expand immediately in all directions however with the limitations of the bodies of the organism to be able to survive a lifetime.
The only difference is time and what you definition of instant or even fast is. Herbivores will run from carnivores and microbiological life will spread as long as the temperature is correct and food is there. These are the rules, temperature and food (+water). If these are in abundance then life will absolutely spread "instantly".
I think there's 2 things you're missing with the "Well we've been here 200,000 years, why hasn't anyone found us?" thing; that's an absolutely insignificant and meaningless amount of time in the general context of the universe, and you're seriously underestimating the size of the universe and the vast distances required to travel it. There are estimated to be 100 billion galaxies alone. We're on one rock, and we haven't seen anything in the very, very small area of space we've been able to sort of look at to the extent of technology we've had for a few decades at most...that we haven't found anything, or the other way around, means absolutely nothing.
It's not about them finding us, it's us finding them. If we are able to get to the stars in 200,000 years, and, by all metrics, be Godlike by the next 200,000 if we somehow survive, how would we have not spotted anything or been spotted by anything yet?
Which is why I said I believe it exists, but alien life is in such an insignificant number and so spread out it's absolutely silly to imagine they're anywhere close enough to play footsies with the US Airforce or whatever.
It's interesting that we somehow think that the aliens aren't just as weird as us.
I like to think that they're just catch-and-release space fishers. They're measuring something by shoving probes up asses and then comparing them. Probably the reason there aren't so many visitors is because only a few of them find it to be a worthwhile hobby and something about us is unremarkable.
I disagree, honestly. It's not about us being found, it's about us stumbling into them.
The time it takes to colonize an entire galaxy is actually surprisingly little, when put into the context of how long it has taken us to get the point that we are at, today. A simple thought experiment like this puts the fairly short amount of time into perspective. Assuming we can spend 90 years traveling from one star to another at a distance of 10 LY ( so at 11% the speed of light, or only 171x faster than the fastest object we've launched, or will have, at least) and then prepare another expedition in 10 years from the arrival of the expedition ship, it only takes a million years for humans to start colonizing the opposite side of the galaxy from where we are.
That's... not a long time. Homo sapiens have only been around for the last 200,000 years but the Earth's several billion years old and the milky way even older. However, it could then be a question of why the aliens should even bother expanding. Well, it didn't take long for humans to colonize the entirety of the earth as soon as we had the technology to do it, so the same train of thought could most likely be extended to a race with the means to colonize a galaxy.
Given that we have technology to see quite far into our own galaxy, finding habitable planets like Kepler-62f at a distance of 1.200 LY across our own galaxy, and we have not seen any traces of aliens yet, we can probably conclude that they're nowhere to be found inside our own galaxy at least.
Hold the phone on that mathematics. This doesn't sound right at all.
Can you please run down those numbers.
I mean, you're all free to keep adding factors in there as you like. Maybe 50% of the ships you send out die en-route, maybe 50% of the planets you visit aren't habitable at all, maybe another 50% of those are fucked up beyond belief and have no resources available and maybe the last 50% of those colonies just die from unknown reasons. Statistically, that's only a 8x increase in the time it takes. Adjust the numbers so that it takes longer to fly between the stars and it takes longer for a colony to self-replicate so that in total, it takes 500 years and not 100 years. Now it's 40x slower, or, it takes a total of 40 million years.
Still only a drop in the bucket in the context of our own planet being merely several billion years old, in a galaxy that is more than 10 billion years old.
It's just a cloud whale saying hello
Again, you're significantly misunderstanding and underestimating the extent of the universe, the sheer distances required and the amount of stuff there is. The parts of it we have checked (with the limits of todays space technology, technology that we've not even had for a century) and the time we've been here is in the context of things, absolutely nothing. Neil Degrasse Tyson explained it along the lines of taking a glass of water out the ocean and going "There are no Whales in the ocean!", but even that doesn't get anywhere near the same sort of scale. We haven't even came across all the species on our own planet and the chances of finding those are far, far higher than suddenly running into aliens.
Say some alien race managed to achieve some extremely advanced sci-fi like situation already and had explored their galaxy... even that would be ' pretty insignificant overall; there are stil 100 billion other galaxies. Just in terms of galaxies alone the chance of finding us is low, let alone just suddenly coming across the single planet we're on. You're entirely right that the idea of aliens being here already is just utterly ludicrous, it's so self-centered and naive an idea that somehow, in an unquantifiably large universe and number of planets, our species on the single insignificant planet we're on would be lucky enough to run into aliens in our short time here, who then also decided not to reveal themselves and stayed hidden, decide to keep coming back here to give is glimpses of their ships or share technology or whatever the conspiracy theorists say these days and that the governments of the world would know about them and be somehow able to keep that hidden. It's just utterly absurd even if it is sort of a possibility in that it can't be disproved.
No, I just said I agree aliens in some form probably exist. Like I just said. My point is, once again, it'd be in such a small number and so spread out that the idea of them on Earth is farcical.
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