22 activists 'abducted by Israeli troops in international Waters - Polidicks

https://www.nst.com.my/node/396062/amp A total of 22 activists who were on a humanitarin mission abroad the Al-Awda flotilla ship to Gaza, including Malaysia's sole representative Associate Professor Dr Mohd Afandi Salleh, were reportedly 'abducted in international waters by Israeli troops' at 7.15pm Malaysia time. Humanitarian Care Malaysia chairman, MyCARE, Associate Professor Dr Hafidzi Mohd Noor, said Israel's actions by 'kidnapping' the crew of Al-Awda in international waters is considered a violation of maritime law. He said Israel did not have the right to prevent the Al-Awda ship from sailing in international waters and entering Gaza, while blocking all external access routes. It is contrary to the Fourth Geneva Convention which forbids collective punishment on any community. "The Al-Awda ship is on a peaceful mission without provocation. It is not carrying weapons, only solidarity messages and a little medical aid, so Israel's actions are like piracy," he said at a press conference, at the MyCARE office, near here, today.

Is anyone surprised that humanitarian aid efforts for the Palestinians were immediately cut off and prevented by the Israelis?

No. After all, that'd interfere with the totally-not-an-ethnic-cleansing they've got going on.

Can't wait for pro-Israeli people to somehow find a way to justify denying people medical aid.

They were actually terrorists! Look, here is a picture of an activist breathing the same air as a terrorist! This fire is rapidly growing. At some point, not even IDF supporters can support this shit.

They got detained for trying to break the blockade, they'll be processed and deported. The medical goods will still get to Gaza, the ships cargo has to be inspected at ashdod port since other peace flotillas have tried to smuggle in weapons

I whole heartly support their detention. Once the members will be deported and the ship inspected, the aid will come through with all banned items confiscated. Better safe than sorry.

Little reminder that the Dutch government donated €300,000 in solar panels and Israel straight up destroyed them and confiscated the ones they didn't destroy. Israel does not want Gaza to receive humanitarian aid. Their blockade prevented many construction goods from entering the country. Before 2010, even basic construction materials like cement and glass were banned. The majority of banned goods are completely irrelevant for terrorism purposes and are only banned to handicap the country.

Even when cement was allowed back then there was barely any construction done for houses, hospitals etc. Instead all of that aid turned up for underground infiltration tunnels for Hamas to use to commit guerilla attacks in nearby israeli kibbutez Fuck em, they want decent building materials they better quit spending their aid for war. I'm glad Israel reduced their terror attacks from mass shootings, bus bombing and killing of innocents to burn tires and send molotov balloons.

what happened in the west bank doesnt concern gaza and its amazing that despite shitting out your opinions in israel threads for a long time you still cant get the difference between the two israel gives humanitarian aid to gaza, stop talking bullshit about how israel doesnt want gaza to receive aid https://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/Hamas-turns-away-truckloads-of-Israeli-humanitarian-aid-destined-for-Gaza-556565 Israeli military sends aid to Gaza http://mfa.gov.il/mfa/foreignpolicy/peace/humanitarian/pages/default.aspx look at the sources above, israel gives aid to gaza. the 2009 flotilla from turkey had weapons on it

What the fuck are you even on about? Cement WASN'T allowed in before 2010. 1000 Palestinians and 18 Israelis died each year before 2010. After 2010, it WAS allowed. By your logic that would've resulted in more guerilla attacks, yet yearly (Not counting 2014) casualty numbers dropped down to 128 Palestinians and 12 Israelis.

So first you say cement is banned but then its allowed after 2010? that makes no sense at all. Israel isnt responsible for Gaza's well being. They have horrible leaders who use every piece of aid they get to wage war instead of rebuilding and caring of their own people. You should be mad at Hamas for waging an endless war against a nation stronger than it.

Are you incapable of reading? I quote: "Before 2010, even basic construction materials like cement and glass were banned. " AFTER June 2010, the list of banned goods was changed, and cement was allowed in, but only if the construction projects are monitored by the international community.

Whats your point in bringing that up then? if cement is monitored by the international community and allowed so why bother saying it was not allowed in the past if it is now? really pointless argument. Quit fucking referring Hamas as Palestine, you're justifying their abuse towards Palestinians and call it fighting back so blindly.

I brought it up because even now Israel is controlling Gaza's imports. They're limiting their lives tremendously. International humanitarian groups revealed Israel's grasp on Gaza's imports around 2010, and raised a lot of opinions about it. After much critique, Israel loosened their restrictions slightly. Even now, a lot of construction materials are restricted. Any construction materials that are imported, have to be part of an internationally monitored construction project. Ever had to request a construction license? Imagine that, but 10 times worse. Without an international group monitoring the project, you can't even get any materials. And many materials are still completely banned. I am not referring to Hamas as Palestine. Are you capable of reading or are you just guessing what that collection of words means? Palestine is fighting for their freedom. Did you fail to see the thousands of protestors? Fighting for freedom does not necessarily have to be violent. Over a hundred years ago women fought for their rights, and they didn't do it with mortars.

Israel controls the imports yet you have fuckheads like Hamas engaging in an endless war for nothing. If i had to protect my people i will NEVER let Hamas take over the imports, that would literally be suicide. No, you are still referring to Hamas funded protests over the border. These "peaceful" protests are burning down innocent farmers' crops and ruins the area for miles around with burning kites being sent over the border. It's no wonder why peope in Israel dont sympathize with Palestine's struggle. It seems to hurt way more innocents than the army and you wonder why they're treated like that? Hamas literally forces and pays people to get shot or try to cut holes in the fence. The regular Palestinian wants to live in peace without being dragged to useless war but he's being forced and brainwashed to partocipate in such protests.

Svinnik throws this out every time someone points out atrocious shit is going down. Its to solely try to discredit the entire argument.

Dude, you are so brainwashed it's not even funny anymore. Not even 5% of the protestors is related to Hamas, in fact I'm willing to bet not even 1% is. You keep shouting about how they're all terrorists, but you have absolutely nothing to back that up. Yeah, there is a picture of one medic within the same frame as a member of Hamas, but that doesn't prove anything. There were humanitarian aid workers among them and they got fucking shot. There is no excuse for that. It is targeted killing of non-combatant medics. That's one of the most serious international laws broken. The only attempts to cut holes in the fence were miles away from the actual protests. Not to mention that cutting a hole in a fence doesn't make you a terrrorist. You're probably going to argue that I don't know what it is like there, and you do. To which I say: You don't know shit about what is going on. You didn't know any details about the blockade and made mindless assumptions. "So first you say cement is banned but then its allowed after 2010? that makes no sense at all." You literally repeat a fact I said, and then say it doesn't make sense. You tried to get a zinger in and only made a fool of yourself. It's fine to not know something. But you try to make up for your lack of knowledge with assumptions. Do some research, find out what is actually going on. Read some unbiased papers and studies. Living somewhere doesn't make you an expert about that country. Studying it makes you an expert. And even then, you shouldn't blindly trust an expert if he doesn't have proper arguments or sources. An argument based on just authority is a fallacy for a reason.

israel has completely different policies regarding the PA run west bank and the Hamas run Gaza strip, grouping them together and implying that Israel has a single policy towards them is dishonest

The same blockade that the international community widely considers illegal and a significant contributor to the humanitarian crisis going on Gaza?

palmer report says that the naval blockade is lawful The world discovers the legality of the Gaza blockade Q&A: Is Israel's naval blockade of Gaza legal? | Reuters https://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/02/world/middleeast/02flotilla.html It's a contributor to the poverty of gaza for sure, the Palestinians can lift the blockade by working with Israel to make sure that there wont be any security issues associated with lifting the blockade

I've always had up and down thoughts on your opinions but this on-the-level and measured understanding of the conflict both gives me respect for you and a greater understanding of the issues at hand. Have ten buckazoids.

Explain to me how in a few weeks, 50 people of the 60 killed in the clashes were confirmed members of the Hamas? Explain to me why there were snipers shooting at Israeli soldiers amids the protests? You call that "peaceful protest" i call it straight up human shield usage. Hamas is clearly funding and encouraging people to protest and stir shit up so they can use that cover for their military activities. This can be explained by their policy of giving yearly and monthly salaries to families of Palestinians who tried to cut a holes in the fence or got killed while trying to cover said activity. Explain to me how this isn't abuse of authority and power? Whats more baffling is how you try to excuse saboteurs from cutting holes in the fence. Explain to me WHAT intentions would they have if they're cutting holes in a BORDER FENCE when the IDF constantly warns not to get close to it? you call that peaceful protesting too? the fact that some of these "protestors" had weapons and explosives is even more concerning and that raises some red flags when you defend them.

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They are if they want to exert totalitarian control over its imports and exports.

There's 136 deaths and up to 15000 injured and all you can say is that they are all terrorists? What a despicable mindset.

Where did i say that? did you even read? quote me. I said Hamas are using protestors as human shields and are responsible for getting their people killed. You can do better than this half assed argument.

If those 2009 flotillas's nail clippers are weapons, then my electric-powered 8mm BB gun loaded with soluble BB pellets would be a WMD in Israel. It hurts like hell, mind you

How the fuck is Hamas responsible for people shot dead by the IDF? The IDF has 300 meters, proper optics and a lot of time to figure out whether a person is a threat or not. That's like blaming ISIS if a cop shoots a civilian mistaken for a terrorist. The one who fires is at fault. And in that example, the officer's actions can be rationalized by the lack of time allowed to make such a decision and the adrenaline in such a situation. But the IDF is just calmly firing at protestors from 300 meters away, without any risk to themselves. Look at this shit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ey48uTfIeww https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjTkJIPKj80 There's absolutely no risk to the IDF soldiers. They have all the time in the world to make a decision, and still shoot non-combatants. As if that's not enough, they're cheering about it. In the first video they use rubber-coated bullets, which still cause serious injuries requiring hospitalization. The second one shows clear use of lethal ammo. You want to know how Israel claims 90% of the deaths are Hamas? The female medic who was shot and killed a while ago was claimed to be part of Hamas. Why? Because of a single photograph with a member of Hamas in the frame. That alone is enough to be Hamas in the eyes of the IDF.

Wheelchairs as well as weapons found on board aid ships there were knives and soldiers were shot by the "activists" I have a relative who was on the boarding party, he was seriously injured when the "peaceful" activists attacked him