• Colorado police kill Vietnam veteran who killed intruder attacking grandson
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https://www.kiro7.com/news/trending-now/police-kill-vietnam-vet-who-killed-intruder-attacking-grandson/802893035 Police officers in Colorado are under investigation following a shooting Monday in which they killed a homeowner who moments before killed an intruder who broke into his home and attacked a child, authorities said.  “This is a very heartbreaking and tragic situation for everyone involved,” Aurora police Chief Nick Metz said in a statement. “We are providing assistance through our victim advocates to help the family of the deceased resident through this very difficult time.” Aurora police officials said 911 dispatchers received a call around 1:30 a.m. Monday about a disturbance in a north Aurora neighborhood. Around the same time, a woman called 911 to report a man breaking into her home. Metz said in the statement that officers arrived to a “very chaotic and violent scene” at the home.  “While on scene, officers heard gunshots fired from inside the home and encountered an armed adult male,” Metz said. “An officer discharged his firearm, striking the armed male, who was transported to the hospital, where he later succumbed to his injuries.” The man shot by the officer was the homeowner. A family member identified the victim to 9NEWS in Denver as Richard Black, a 73-year-old Vietnam veteran. Adams County property records list the owners of the home where the shooting took place as Richard and Jeanette Black. Neighbors confirmed the man’s identity to The Denver Post. Metz said that as officers cleared the home to ensure everyone else inside was safe, they found an injured child. Though details of the child’s injuries were not released, neighbors told Denver7 the intruder was strangling the boy when Black, the child’s grandfather, intervened.  Officers found the dead intruder on the bathroom floor, the police statement said. That man’s name has not been released. “Our preliminary investigation has revealed the deceased intruder on the bathroom floor was fatally shot by the armed adult male resident,” the chief said.  Colorado has a law called the “Make My Day” law that gives homeowners the right to shoot an intruder in self-defense. The Post reported that the law, enacted in 1985, requires that the homeowner believe he or someone else would suffer serious bodily harm or death if he did not shoot the intruder.  The injured child had serious but not life-threatening injuries, Metz said. The child, whose age was not released, was taken to the hospital for treatment.
Nobody here wins. Everyone suffers.
Colorado has a law called the “Make My Day” law What the fuck?
Gun owners know these risks. Interoperability with police can be stressful, especially for law abiding citizens. This is a situation where it is difficult to pinpoint who is at fault. Hindsight is black and white. I certainly wouldn't want to be behind any of the guns in this scenario.
It's a movie reference (wierd thing to name a law after imo) Go ahead, make my day
I got a lesson from this. Don't trust the Police.
They arrived to the scene of a break in and heard gunshots. What do you want them to do?
I mean, I see where you're coming from, but I don't think that's the right takeaway. They responded to a break in, heard gunshots, came in, saw someone with a gun -- in the dark. I don't think they can really be blamed for what happened. Of course, you can argue that the victim would still be alive if the police hadn't responded. That doesnt mean the police shouldn't respond, though. You could also argue that the victim would still be alive if he hadn't been armed when the police turned up. That doesn't mean he shouldn't have a gun though. This is a messy, horrible, tragic situation and the "fuck the police" attitude doesn't really apply.
Okay, and what if someone got shot by the guy with the gun due to police inaction? Is this a fucking trolley problem?
So police should no longer respond to gunfire? Is that your idea?
Confirm targets before shooting at them, basic fucking training.
Sorry this isn't a game, you crosshair doesn't turn green when aiming at a friendly person. They cannot tell if the armed man is the intruder or the owner. If he's the intruder, hesitation could mean more civilian deaths or an officer death. What happened here is an unfortunate accident.
Are you mentally handicapped
Indeed they are. But when you're going into a dark house after receiving reports of shots fired inside said house, then waiting to positively ID the guy pointing a fucking gun at you might mean not only your own death, but the deaths of anyone else inside the house aswell
It's a state with castle law, he could be a friendly, thus you don't fire until you confirm he's an enemy. Again, basic fucking training, don't shoot at shit that's not confirmed to be an enemy.
dude, just stop. This isn't like the situation in the hotel where the guy was being simon says-d down the hallway until he made the right fuck-up for a cop to have an excuse to shoot him. There's negligence, then there's a miserable case of wrongful death. Taking a hardline stance on all cop involved shootings without taking a look at the context is not the solution to our police violence problem. Was it negligent? Yes. Was it avoidable? Most likely. But to say that this is a "trigger-happy cop blowing away lives" is complete bullshit. Yeah but you also don't know in the dark whether or not that person is the guy you're looking for, and whether or not he's armed and about to shoot you. you are willfully ignoring context to line this up with a preconceived notion you have about cops
If you're not sure the target is an enemy DO NOT FUCKING SHOOT Why is this so hard for you to understand
Glad you were there and can provide us with a clear description of exactly what happened first fucking hand.
Clearly you don't know shit about my preconceived notions about cops because I've made posts at length about terrible cops that should never have been allowed to be on the force. I also never said it wasn't unacceptable. The officer should get charged with negligent homicide, but that doesn't mean that this situation wasn't muddled to begin with.
I thought I read that they told the police the home owner had a gun and exactly what he looked like. And the same coop is under a previous investigation for a shooting an innocent person.
Im getting some serious deja vu wasn't this already posted?
If I remember right, and to provide some context a clickbait title avoids, but this honestly just makes it more tragic- The guy had a severe hearing impairment, apparently, and the officers told him to drop the gun several times. From a local paper: https://www.denverpost.com/2018/08/02/aurora-police-fatal-officer-involved-shooting-hearing-impairment/ "““For the next 13 seconds, officers continued to give at least five commands to Mr. Black to drop the gun and to show his hands,” Metz said Thursday at a news conference. “We don’t know why, but for whatever reason Mr. Black did not drop the gun.” Black had significant hearing impairment because of his military service, Metz said. Also, the scene was noisy from people screaming, including Black’s 11-year-old grandson, who had been violently attacked by a naked intruder." It's probably a thing as simple as the otherwise heroic guy just not hearing him, sadly enough. The officers showed up to a scene where there was a guy who was shot dead, an injured and crying kid, and a guy with a gun. The guy in the house won't drop the gun in his hands for one reason or another. I dunno what exactly he did that prompted the officer to fire, since there's no bodycam, but that's due to the family not wanting it released (after they were allowed to see it and the dispatch footage.) The only context to what he did is this quote: "After officers heard the gunshots, they saw Black walk around a corner and then turn back. He came toward them again as they ordered him to drop the gun. Black raised his flashlight toward them before the one officer fired, Metz said." I'm not sure what else the officers could have done that would have maintained their and the bystander's safety, according to everything they knew. It sounds like it was a perfect storm of shit for every party involved. I can't imagine how this few minutes is going to fuck up the kids life. All because some cracked out piece of garbage. A genuine tragedy.
There's a 40 year old callout procedure standard oin law enforcement to avoid exactly this. These officers are simply incompetent and need to be not on the police force. American Justice™.
What callout procedure are you referencing? The one they did and the guy couldn't hear due to a medical problem?
Might wanna read a little more on the officers before donning your sterling armor and trusty steed.
Clue me in. What did I miss?
To me, it indicates American police are still too trigger-happy. Article makes it sound like they went in with little understanding of the situation and shot the first person they saw, when a bit more discipline and restraint might have allowed them to establish the facts on the scene before shooting anyone.
@HeySwineFest Next time you got a problem don't go to the police for help then.
What do you mean they had more time, exactly?
Generally if you are a gun owner or someone who has been involved in a shooting you do not look at the police as your friend. Police don't know who the bad guy is or who isn't, its been stated by law enforcement, lawyers and other CHL advocates that when you get into a deadly force situation and the police are called you need to disarm yourself ASAP. Mainly for your safety and the polices safety. The cops don't know who the bad guy is or who isn't. What happened is sad and truly a tragic, but it should have been known that after defended himself and the police showed up do lay down arms. "““For the next 13 seconds, officers continued to give at least five commands to Mr. Black to drop the gun and to show his hands,” Metz said Thursday at a news conference. “We don’t know why, but for whatever reason Mr. Black did not drop the gun.” I mean, the original article made it seem like these guys just kicked in the door and started a shooting gallery, but this new article paints a total different situation.
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