Pretty nuts. Never realized they were so strict there.
>Malaysia has a dual-track legal system, with sharia courts managing some religious and family cases. Civil law stipulates jail for up to 20 years, caning and fines for oral or anal sex (whether same-sex or otherwise).
Don't we have a prominent Malaysian FP'er?
Sadly he was executed in June when the government found out he was talking to kafir over the internet
I mean, I don't know what to say about this? There's always has been the thought that Islamic laws are here to stay forever, especially LGBT since every race seems to have issue with them.
There are absolutely no tolerance, education or proper exposure in the country, most comes from western influences, which doesn't exactly have a strong foothold here. /opinion
Well Stalketeer's crazy "Zionism" talk just got a whole new layer of creepy.
Wouldn't surprise me if he's afraid of stepping out of line at this point.
Not likely, I've met a whole bunch of moderate to essentially agnostic muslims who have an ingrained hatred for the Jews, seems to just be something they are brought up with so I can imagine it's kinda the same regardless if you follow the religion or not. Just the society.
Which fper?
You know, I really appreciate if you guys don't spread rumours about FPer. Malaysia might not be the most secular country, but its not the most conservative country either, unless you guys have proof of whatever happened to any known malaysian fper, don't talk rubbish.
Yeah, in Malaysia's situation. It seems to be more of a societal problem.
Having sex in public ey?
That would fali into the penalty of 'indecent act, according to Act 559 Section 29 which mentioned these matter.
Sex in public is not exactly an act that would gets you clap and cheers in Malaysia. Same as getting naked in public, or such.
Can probably tell you with 99.9% certainty that they wouldn't gave a shit if it was a man and a woman having sex in car.
'Probably' eh?
Come on. I know you want to get back at me for being banned for 'indecent acts' in the other threads, but man, this is petty
You're glancing over the fact this was fueled by hatred towards the LGBT community.
Nope. There's thousands of LGBT in Malaysia. But see if you can find any otuer LGBT else getting caned?
They're caned for being indecent in public. Failure to observe the law and public moral.
Sometimes you got away, like these couple who takes nakes 'getting married' photos in public if I'm not mistaken, sometimes you dont.
https://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2006/08/17/dismiss-indecent-conduct-at-park-case/
Oh my fucking god are you now denying that LGBT persecution doesn't happen in Malaysia?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Malaysia
"A 2013 Pew Research Center opinion survey showed that 9% of the Malaysian population believe homosexuality should be accepted by society, while 86% believe it shouldnot.[22]Malaysia was one of the Asian countries polled with the least acceptance, in front of only Indonesia and Pakistan with 3% and 2%, respectively. People over 50 years old were more accepting than younger people: 11% of people over 50 believe it should be accepted, 10% of people between 30 and 49 and 7% of people between 18 and 29. There, however, was a slight increase in acceptance since 2007, when a Pew Research poll showed that 8% of the population believe homosexuality should be accepted."
https://puu.sh/BeBZr.png
Cut the Fucking Bullshit.
If you want to talk petty, let's talk about your government's 20 year prison sentence for two men having sex.
Nope. You're confusing 'rights' and 'sentiment'.
Majority of Malaysian are not pro-LGBT. For various reason of course, be it religious, social norm, ect. This is the sentiment of the majoriry.
But do they trample on LGBT's rights as a normal human and citizen? No. Give me one case where LGBT was killed or violated in Malaysia. Hardly, not aa much as non-LGBT.
Are they denied of work opportunty? No. Heck, even the spectacles I'm wearing right now was made in the shop of a transgender guy, in my hometown, which is a traditional town. The success of his shop compared to others, in a traditional town, speaks for itself.
One thing that you need to know to get a birds eye view of things in Malaysia is, things are generally pretty tame in Malaysia, be it the weather, the community, or the religion, or just lifestyle in general.
For example, the level of discrimination. In other countey you would get cases of LGBT being killed or violated, or being harassed in public. But in Malaysia, probably all you'll get are anickers behind your back, in worse case.
Even for pop cultural things, like Start Trek trekkies, fans of celebrities, fans of digital enterteainment/games, they are all of a grade lower regarding their zealousneas. You would have a hard time getting a game or comic convention, becausw peoplw just took those thinga very casually.
Even for weather, you would find typhoon that blows your roof clear off 3 states in other countries, but live here in Malaysia, you would never get a gust stong enough to lift your skirt.
These moderation and lack of challenge for Malaysian that made them less competitive, has been addressed in the 4th prime minister's book, 'Malay Dilemma'. But they don't like that book lol, so you hardly see it nowdays
I'm thinking you skipped this part.
https://puu.sh/BeCsK.png
Yes, that is the law.
Malaysia retains its colonial era criminal ban on sodomy (as well as oral sex), broadly defined to include both heterosexual and homosexual acts, with possible punishment including fines, prison sentences of up to twenty years, and even corporal punishment. A subsection of the Criminal Code also provides additional punishment for men convicted of "gross indecency with another male person".
And now, tell me how many people are being in prison for doing those? One, which is a politician raping his subordinate.
Why so few? Because nobody is stupid enough to do sex in public, for them to get cought doing it. Even if they are cought, most are just fined. Those law i mentioned, are the maximum, which are 'crowned' on rapist.
Remember that Malaysia website that you proclaimed it stood the "Test of Time?"
https://puu.sh/BeCBC.png
This is an article by them.
https://puu.sh/BeCFG.png
https://www.nst.com.my/news/2016/08/167634/homosexual-agenda
Yes, it is an agenda.
The new Minister of Islamic Matter even made it his first move to improve public acceptance of LGBT, so as not to persecute them.
https://www.nst.com.my/node/400122/amp
Your point?
That was absolutely not the fucking point of the article, it was not an agenda to "Improve Public Acceptance". Also proving you didn't even read the motherfucking thing.
A snippet from the article.
"As homosexuality becomes more and more widespread and widely accepted, the world will fall into even more terrible degeneracy and acts of violence will increase even further. The children raised by homosexuals will inevitably face psychological (and, possibly, physical) problems during their development, and as a consequence, a deeply troubled generation will rise.Movies, books and articles that are being published for the purpose of legitimising homosexuality aim to deceive and conceal this terrible, deep-seated truth. The colourful flags are for hiding the dark reality behind this lurid world. Of course, we do not, in any way, condone any harm that will come to individuals because of their homosexuality. However, as Muslims, we are obliged to stand and warn against this depraved mentality and deed."
"This foul alliance that tries to legitimise homosexuality, which is forbidden (haram), seeks to create a snobbish, homosexual, anarchistic, pseudo-intellectual and pretentious Muslim youth that does not hold national values dear, a young generation that contradicts and is ashamed of Islam.
They strive hard to render the world of Islam weak and defenseless; Muslims are being confronted with an agenda that is well-planned, well-organised, well-funded and unyielding. This agenda is determined to break the resistance of the Islamic world, just as they successfully broke the resistance of the Judeo-Christian world."
I think he was talking about the article he posted in the post you quoted, that being said, that article was about him showing his approval for the removal or portraits of LGBT people so uhhhh
Sigh, just shows how much you knew
The minister in the news, is one of the proponent of protection of LGBT againsts discimination. But his stance is grounded on Law. That article is about another Mufti, who's applauding his effort who stand steadfast on protection LGBT againts discrimination, while actually at the same time trying to obey the law.
In the event that some people who are putting up banners supporting practice of LGBT, which is again, not encouraged by both law and social norm, the minister whom is a know staunch voice of protexting LGBT rights, put down the banners, as they are againsts the law.
Articles referring to his stance:
https://www.nst.com.my/node/393500/amp
https://www.nst.com.my/node/391603/amp
Of course, Islam is againsts the practice of LGBT, except in natural cases. That is as clear as day.
But there isn't anything in Islam which said they should be harmed.
Which relates to the previous law we discussed. Those are colonial era law. Old laws. Same as other old laws that needs revising. That's why I asked you if you can find LGBT getting 20 years in prison, which is none. Because it is not our practice anymore.
"Mujahid, however, made it clear that he and the government are consistent in their stance against the propagation of the Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender (LGBT) community."
So his way of solving the problem is forcing LGBT people to hide their identities, keep their sexuality under wraps, and basically told to "Shut the Fuck Up and quit complaining".
idk what the fuck makes you think thats ok.
You do realize he is a Minister of Islamic Matter? Of course he is not encouraging LGBT lifetyle. They are prohibited from embracing it. But Islam doesnt prevemt him from standibg againsts dicrimination of LGBT people, in fact it is encourage. I thought that was clear?
Now give me a case where a LGBT was caught, and ordered to hide himselves, or fined for dfeesing the way they are, or was told to shut up, or even convicted for being LGBT, as you have said?
Give me one.
Those old colonial laws are there because people didn't revise them. Why wasnt it revised?
Yes, because they were never used much to convict anybody to begin with, so people just dont bother.
Look at the OP
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