That's honestly sad. The Civil War didn't last this long. Vietnam didn't last this long. World Wars 1 and 2 together didn't last this long.
I wonder what will happen when we actually do another draw down. Hopefully the Iraqi Military won't dissolve. This at least offers some assurance that Iraq won't be too vulnerable if another radical group decides to rise again.
or have assad and russian boots treading in.
This isn't exactly anything new. The US has been in South Korea since the end of the Korean War, it's been in Germany and Japan since the end of World War II. In both instances there were enemies still present and to an extent still a threat ie North Korea/The Soviet Union.
Iraq being a semi-active warzone doesn't change that fact, and while my previous examples might not have had active combat constantly over the last 60-70 years there were still plenty of skirmishes on borders and the whole Berlin wall deal.
Don't you know? We've always been at war with eurasia the middle east
Oh fuck this totally didn't occur to me at all
no wonder ISIS exists
I think you mean the pull out of Iraq under Obama that created a power vacuum and opportunity for ISIS to acquire weapons and materials to form a new semi-official state.
If only Dubya hadn't overthrown Hussein, maybe there wouldn't be a huge power vacuum that allows any terror group to obtain any amount of power.
It's not like continuous warring within a region supported by major powers is anything new. Happened with China and the multiple warlords that ruled the region in the 30's and 40's. We're going through the motions at this point.
ISIS exsist from a combination of:
US involvement, which to be fair is a good unifying factor - Foreign Crusaders in our land. Doing what they please, actions that we took didn't help
Sectarian splits. Shia and Sunnis are and have been at each other's throats. If you ever read new reports and looked into the years of bombings in Iraq you'd find that a lot them were carried on religious sects.
Money, fun fact when the US officials started paying tribal leaders in Iraq we started seeing less insurgent activity in certain areas. Really makes you think.
Internal problems. Past two examples have existed long before the US stuck their hand in Iraq. As long as there are flames to be stoked on different religious groups then you're going to have ISIS and Al-Qaeda type groups.
It's new when we were led into this war under false pretenses and now we're announcing indefinite occupation for reasons entirely unrelated to why we went in in the first place.
LMAO, has absolutely nothing to do with Obama. The Iraqi's asked us to leave, and so we did because it's not our country, save for a couple thousand Personnel for training and support for the Iraqi Army and Air Force.
I love how you just described the power vacuum at the very bottom. I guess you have some weird technicality that if we entrust weapons to Iraqis, leave early, and the Iraqs drop the weapons, this isn't a power vacuum we left behind.
But thank you for detailing the history of why pulling out of Iraq early was a mistake.
Well I mean this point what else can they do? The US went in an destabilised Iraq, it'd be extremely shitty of them to just go "lol woops sorry guys cya later" and fucked off to leave the Iraqi's to deal with the mess they made.
"Pulling out early" Fuck we had already been there 10 years by that point. We all know this war will continue on forever unless someone has the balls to just cut it off, and leave for good. There is no good end to this story.
It's unfortunately a situation with no winning choices, granted we only have combat forces in iraq still to help clean up the remnants of Daesch having support personnel in a country. After all that money spent to train and equip the Iraqi army and they're still arguably just as bad as when we started, it was the Kurds, secritarian militias and the horrendously overworked Iraqi special forces that pushed back Daesch. Further more Iraq is slowly being pulled into Iran's sphere of influence regardless of what we do, at what point do we realize we are not making Iraq any better and cut our losses? 30? 40? 50 years? Even at 50 years years I can promise it'll be hard to tell weather or not we've made iraq any safer.
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