Manafort jury asks about impact of not reaching verdict on one count - Polidicks

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/08/21/politics/paul-manafort-trial-jury/index.html So the other 17 are done? Verdict might come today?

Rated lucky because I'm hoping for the best, trying to force myself to expect the worst.

I think its a good sign tbh, I was fearing partisanship would lead to a hung jury.

There have been updates: https://twitter.com/ShimonPro/status/1031929796559872000 https://twitter.com/ShimonPro/status/1031933603662446599 https://twitter.com/ShimonPro/status/1031934805951303681 https://twitter.com/ShimonPro/status/1031935270009151489

17 counts of bank fraud are just as bad as 18 (not that they all are bank fraud but just as an example)

As much as I hate this guy, a "hung jury" shouldn't be a thing. A "hung jury" should just default to not guilty. That is sort of the point of our justice system.

Manafort found GUILTY on eight counts -- mistrial on ten counts.

He's so fucked, he still has another one coming up.

Damn what's with all the mistrials, hope it's not used to attack Mueller's legitimacy.

From what I understand it just means hung jury. Not something done wrong.

Yeah thought of that after commenting, I was thinking more like thrown out due to lack or evidence or something the prosecution did or something.

8 counts is definitely life in prison for him, I think. All 17 or 18 add up to over 300 years in prison

The jury couldn't reach a unanimous verdict on ten of the eighteen counts. They'll likely be retried with a different jury. Meanwhile, Manafort already has a second pending trial for charges relating to acting as a foreign agent for Putin's pupet government in Ukraine. He'll be in prison for quite some time.

What happens if Trump pardons him.

In before Trump pardons him. Just going to squeeze that little prediction in. Maybe Cohen pleading guilty to campaign finance violations will get Trump impeached before he can do it, though

Hopefully the 90.9% of DC what went Clinton protests, and/or Mueller has state level charges ready.

If Trump pardons Manafort, we immediately drop what we're doing and march in the streets. We occupy every government building in the country and refuse to leave until Trump resigns the office of the presidency. What we have to understand about pardon power is that Trump has broken with a time-honored tradition of presidential pardons: he has pardoned people who refuse to admit their guilt. Why is this important? Because if you pardon someone who has admitted their guilt, you are reinforcing the rule of law, i.e. you are reinforcing the concept that criminal actions have consequences, even if you are commuting or reducing those consequences. By pardoning those who refuse to admit their guilt, Trump is allowing these criminals to flout the rule of law; he is intentionally placing them outside the rule of law. This has the effect of using a legal mechanism - i.e. the presidential pardon power - to undermine the rule of law. It is an example of a textbook tactic of fascism: turning legal and institutional power against itself, weaponizing the very legal protections that are the cornerstone of democracy. If you do this, the system starts to leak, and eventually fail. Trump's use of the pardon power is being used to accomplish exactly that end.

I dare Trump to pardon him really, best way to rally the opposition against him and increase voter turnout. This is regardless that the investigation will have a legit reason to start going after Trump directly.

If the president pardons Manafort, he can say goodbye to his supreme court pick and Republicans can say goodbye to both houses of congress - and hello to impeachment proceedings and decades of national disgrace. If the president doesn't pardon Manafort, Manafort will strike a plea deal and testify under oath that the president was aware of, and complicit in, Russian cyberwarfare against the United States of America - and the president can say hello to impeachment proceedings and decades of national disgrace, and criminal prosecution. All this is assuming the president and his party don't seize upon some unexpected (and potentially false) emergency to seize power and delay or destroy any investigations against them, which is not only possible but highly likely. But as for any hope of an escape that involves participating in the US legal system, the president is quickly running out of options.

some of these crimes a state can bring up like filing false tax statements.