Parents break daughter out of the Mayo Clinic after staff refuse to transfer her - Sensationalist Headlines

https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2018/08/13/teenager-escape-mayo-clinic/ This is an absolute unit of the story, couldn't fit even a summary here, here's a TLDR: Alyssa, a legal adult has an aneurysm, her life is saved at the Mayo Clinic. Her parents aren't happy with her care in rehab, repeatedly denied transfers. Clinic says mother has mental illness and can't make decisions for Alyssa. Parents correctly suspect clinic is trying to get county or clinical guardianship of Alyssa. They break her out of the clinic and driver her to a South Dakota clinic. South Dakota doctors disagree with Mayo that Alyssa needed to stay in the hospital and that she couldn't make her own decisions. Police stop search after SD clinic says she's okay to be taken home. Mayo Clinic says that Alyssa was making decisions for herself while simultaneously not having the capacity to. It's practically unheard of for a clinic to not have parents or relatives make decisions and seek guardianship instead. Alyssa's parents say the clinic never offered them a meeting with an ethics committee to resolve disagreements over care. Alyssa recovers, her parents suspect Mayo was seeking guardianship in retaliation for questioning the staff over care.

Welcome to privatized healthcare, where people are $$$.

Sounds like someone's going to court.

I hope they blow MC out of the water with it

This is fucking awful. Imagine what they could be doing to people who actually don't have the ability to make decisions for themselves.

“The surgeon said, ‘This is my patient. This is my show. I’m the boss, and I say what happens,’ ” she said. Just wanna bring attention to that part from a separate family from Alyssa's, these are separate hospitals, how many doctors are power tripping egomaniacs?

So if he wants to do over-expensive procedures for what is actually needed, its his patient, his rules? Fuck off lol

Any position that holds power over the lives of others is likely to be filled by those seeking to do just that.

This is why people call doctors "health cops"

To run the other side of the story before you tools jump on the "lol capitalism" bandwagon: https://www.mprnews.org/story/2018/08/15/mayo-disputes-medical-kidnapping-cnn-story The story described repeated disputes between the patient's family, especially her mother, and Mayo clinic staff. The mother claimed the family's concerns about care went unaddressed. At a certain point, Mayo barred the mother from the medical center's property. Mayo said it banned the mother after "escalating disruptive and aggressive behavior that interfered with the care of her daughter and resulted in multiple staff members reporting fear for their safety." ... Mayo says CNN disregarded and did not investigate key facts Mayo provided, including allegations that the mother abused the patient, which Mayo had reported to county officials. In an interview Wednesday, Dr. Michel Harper, executive dean for practice at Mayo, said the hospital had grave concerns about the family's ability to care for the woman, who was an 18-year-old high school senior at the time. ... Mayo told MPR News it told CNN of its concerns about the mother during a three-hour, off-camera meeting. Specifically, the hospital said they were worried that the mother: • Was unwilling to learn how to care for her daughter once she was released from Mayo. • Resisted the doctor's advice that the teen be taken off of opioids. • Was physically aggressive with Mayo staff. Mayo said all those factors played into its decision to block the mother from Mayo's campus and seek outside guardianship for the patient on her behalf after the major surgery because they deemed her a vulnerable adult who could not make her own medical decisions. ... Last month, a Martin County judge issued an order removing the Mayo patient's five younger half-siblings from her mother's care, according to the court filing citing a series of reports of neglect, physical and emotional abuse. The court records also said the mother tested positive for methamphetamines and amphetamines in late July when a county official visited her home in Sherburn to investigate child abuse reports. At that time the children were removed from her care and placed in the care of their father, who is also the patient's stepfather. The mother is probably a drug-fucked loon who was probably using her daughter's opioid prescription to fund her meth addiction.

Fuck I'm fucking pissed with myself for not seeing that article, goddamn it. Reviewbrah was right. The WCCO article even says you're only shown one side, but how did the South Dakota hospital say she was okay to go home. Private healthcare if there is no public option is still terrible. Fucking disappointed at my not looking at other sources when there's such a large difference in perspective.

Eh, we all make mistakes when we read something that pisses us off.

All I want to do is inform people, but I've gone and done what's likely the opposite and gotten people mad at the Mayo clinic, all over something I saw on reddit a few days ago and was like gotta share this.

Wasn't there an article recently about a deathly sick child in the UK that hospital refused to release to the parents because they said it was wrong to seek further help since the kid was basically gonna die anyway? And everyone was rooting for the hospital and calling the parents delusional? But here we get half the story and it's okay to physically break a patient out of hospital because you can pin it on capitalism/private healthcare? Maybe do what the health professionals say.

Mayo Clinic is non-profit, public hospital

Mayo Clinic is one of the most trusted healthcare groups in the U.S. It doesn't surprise me that the whole incident turned out to be a manufactured scandal.

As someone who has bounced in and around the mental healthcare system... Far to fucking many. My first doctor back in Arizona considered seizing me from my parents because my father didn't want me taking adderall at the tender age of 10. Later the same doctor made comments making fun of my incident at school saying, "I guess we know where his violent demeanor comes from" right in my fathers face. My dad actually had to be pulled away from him because he was very close to decking him. Second doctor, also in Arizona was more-or-less the same. I made mention that I was having a hard time going to school because our neighbors in the apartment complex were drunkards and always came home about one in the morning, and would start slamming on walls/doors. My window at the time was right next to the sidewalk, and they'd occasionally slam into it as well. What does the doctor take away from this? I'm schizophrenic, and I need to be immediately put on blood tests to determine if I could take some serious anti-psychotics. Come to North Dakota, and I finally got the help I needed after being told by several Facepunchers too do so. Doctor is pretty normal, but when she goes on maternity leave, I'm shifted to another doctor who never read any of my reports, doesn't know anything about me, and his first instinct was that I should have my prozac up'ed too fucking 80mg per day. His reason? Because I made mention that not working/having a good education really damages morale for me. So... Yeah. Fuck the mental health system.

Gotta love Facepunch bandwagon in the first few posts

Not really surprising. It's probably hard not to be an narcissitic egomaniac when you have to go to school for 10+ years for what you do. That said, while understandable, it's not excusable. Too many doctors have no respect for their patients opinions. Ultimately, it should be up to the patient or the legal guardian of the patient except in rare cases where it affects other people (i.e. not letting a dangerously contagious person leave or not vaccinating your kids and fucking up herd immunity).

That's a bit retarded. Everyone knows there are plenty of doctors that will milk you for all you have or avoid having to do work. I remember when I first went to the hospital for suicide... they kept me isolated in a room for 4 hours before even seeing me, just because the doctor thought maybe I was in there just for drugs. The doctor in that particular ER was known for making people wait stupid long just because he wanted to see if people LEFT. There are shitty "medical professionals."

Couple this with quite a few anecdotes I've heard from friends and family of cases when a second or third opinion resolved their medical issue WITHOUT an invasive procedure when the first opinion that an invasive procedure is inevitable, it's just disgusting.

You can still run into that same kind of issue in public healthcare. While not truly public when I was in the military the first doctor I had spent a year running tests and random crap, it wasn't until they sent me to a civilian doctor that they were able to diagnose the issue right away. It's not necessarily a money grab, as my Navy doctor wasn't receiving any sort of extra pay or kickbacks for having me do all that shit, but a lack of understanding from a physician. Most doctors are trained to look for the most common illness related to the symptoms you have, not jump to the most extreme first. In my case I happened to have a fairly rare form of kidney disease, so I can't blame my original doctor for not catching it earlier. In regards to your friend there's a number of things that could have caused the issue, with nerves being pinched being one of the outliers in regards to a cause. It's just a shame that we have to front the bill over all of the junk, and that some doctors are reluctant to allow for a second opinion.

I have two artificial hips and have had my nose reconstructed twice, among other medical complications. Each surgery done by a different doctors, each of varying quality. I'm well versed in second opinions and patient preferences. I was born in Canada and have experience dealing with those doctors while trying to get my chronic hip complications taken care of, too. My comment isn't toward regular people, but these people who think they know better so they do stupid shit like break a sick person out of a hospital, or don't vaccinate their child because they're a religious extremist, or think medicine is a toxic conspiracy or other dumb shit. Getting a second opinion is always a patients right and doctors can't tell you not to seek it out. Especially in the US where it can be pay to play.

I prefer not to jump the gun on these kinds of cases because while sometimes it can be doctors being shitheads, other times it can be nutty parents wanting to pull their kid out of legitimate treatment and go homeopathic or some crap.