• Brown University researcher first to describe 'rapid-onset gender dysphoria'
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https://news.brown.edu/articles/2018/08/gender The pattern of clusters of teens in friend groups becoming transgender-identified, the group dynamics of these friend groups and the types of advice viewed online led her to the hypothesis that friends and online sources could spread certain beliefs. Examples include the belief that non-specific symptoms such as feeling uncomfortable in their own skins or feeling like they don’t fit in— which could be a part of normal puberty or associated with trauma — should be perceived as gender dysphoria; the belief that the only path to happiness is transition; and the belief that anyone who disagrees with the teen is transphobic and should be cut out of their life.
The problem is that gender dysphoria is genuinely real, but there's no for sure way to know that's what you're experiencing bc depersonalization and trauma dysphoria can feel really similar. This is why the therapy is really important and not just gatekeeping.
I have a feeling people won't like this part; This suggests that the drive to transition expressed by these teens and young adults could be a harmful coping mechanism like drugs, alcohol or cutting, Littman said. With harmful coping mechanisms, certain behaviors are  used to avoid feeling negative emotions in the short term, but they do not solve the underlying problems and they often cause additional problems, she noted.
At the very least, making it safer and easier for people to question their gender identities would go a long way in helping people make better decisions, rather than continue having it be such a Big Fucking Deal that drives people to panic and immediately jump to extremes as soon as they start questioning themselves. There's room for a lot of nuance when it comes to how people interact with their gender and orientation, but that's not something that people really understand until they've already explored the issue pretty deeply for themselves. Any good advocate for LGBTQ health will be careful when dealing with someone questioning their orientation/gender and let said person speak for themselves and not push them towards one answer or another because everyone's situation is different, and empowering people to ask themselves what they're really happy with whether it be identifying as cis, trans, or otherwise would be useful in combatting the phenomenon in the article
So based on the abstract, they interviewed 256 parents, PRE-SELECTED from anti-trans websites, and simply asked those parents what they thought their children's social lives consisted of. This study didn't interview or involve a single trans person. I didn't know selection bias could get this bad. This doesn't even qualify as science.
where are you getting this from? From what I'm reading, PLOS was started in 2000 by a Nobel Prize winner and a couple of scientists who were fed up with articles not being freely accesible by all. In 2006 the first journal from PLOS went live. While Peer-Reviewed doesn't automatically make something perfect or anything, I'm trying to parse out from the available information where they have "zero rigor".
PLOS ONE is notorious for having no review process or quality control and guess what https://twitter.com/PLOSONE/status/1033138879321141248?s=19 Even they're reviewing the basic scientific validity of this shit. The author may have written the paper for the sole purpose of giving validity to a hate group.
I have a couple of concerns about the way this was done in addition to the ones already mentioned. The whole study seems to take correlations, e.g groups where one person came out as trans had more people come out is not the same as one person came out as trans and then the rest of them became trans - it's also entirely possible that they were already identifying as trans or experiencing gender dysphoria and their friend coming out helped them to understand that and made them feel more safe in coming out. Additionally, the fact that these groups have far higher incidences of trans identities isn't anywhere near as surprising once you realise that queer people often cluster together. From the study itself: Recruitment information with a link to the survey was placed on three websites where parents and professionals had been observed to describe rapid onset of gender dysphoria (4thwavenow, transgender trend, and youthtranscriticalprofessionals). As said above it's also entirely based on what parents who are already actively engaged in communities who think that their child experienced "rapid onset gender dysphoria". What it basically tells us is that parents who think their child is trans because their friend came out say that their child is trans because a friend came out. Website moderators and potential participants were encouraged to share the recruitment information and link to the survey with any individuals or communities that they thought might include eligible participants to expand the reach of the project through snowball sampling techniques. People aren't going to send it to people who just think their child is trans because, you know, they're trans. The survey was active from June 29, 2016 to October 12, 2016 (3.5 months) and took 30–60 minutes to complete. Participants completed the survey at a time and place of their own choosing.  You'd have to be willing to commit a significant amount of time to fill it in, which you're not going to do if you don't care. Inclusion criteria were (1) completion of a survey with parental response that the child had a sudden or rapid onset of gender dysphoria; and (2) parental indication that the child’s gender dysphoria began during or after puberty. So what these results say is that parents who think their children had rapid-onset gender dysphoria... think that their children had rapid onset gender dysphoria.
Is this gonna be another one of those studies people quote to try to prove that transgender people don't deserve rights/accommodations?
PLOS ONE does not have a peer review process. They also do not examine methodology. If you have the credentials, they will accept the paper. Good papers do exist on PLOS ONE and in considerable quantity but there are a few notorious examples of terrible, terrible papers that they accepted, no problem.
There were 256 parent-completed surveys that met study criteria. The adolescent and young adult (AYA) children described were predominantly female sex at birth (82.8%) with a mean age of 16.4 years. During the recruitment period, 256 parents completed online surveys that met the study criteria. The sample of parents included more women (91.7%) than men (8.3%) and participants were predominantly between the ages of 45 and 60 (66.1%) (Table 1). Most respondents were White (91.4%), non-Hispanic (99.2%), and lived in the United States (71.7%). Recruitment information with a link to the survey was placed on three websites where parents and professionals had been observed to describe rapid onset of gender dysphoria (4thwavenow, transgender trend, and youthtranscriticalprofessionals).  obama is the antichrist it's true i asked infowars
"Zero rigor" is overly harsh to PLOS ONE but the point is that their brand is not a mark of guaranteed quality.
Where are you getting this information from? Straight from the horse's mouth Each submission to PLOS ONE passes through a rigorous quality control and peer-review evaluation process before receiving a decision. The initial in-house quality control check deals with issues such as competing interests; ethical requirements for studies involving human participants or animals; financial disclosures; full compliance with PLOS’ data availability policy, etc. Submissions may be returned to authors for queries, and will not be seen by our Editorial Board or peer reviewers until they pass this quality control check. Once each manuscript has passed quality control, it is assigned to a member of the Editorial Board, who takes responsibility as the Academic Editor for the submission. The Academic Editor is responsible for conducting the peer-review process and for making a decision to accept, invite revision of, or reject the article. Everything I'm reading is suggesting the exact opposite, that they do in fact have a peer-review process. Again, not that that makes every paper published perfect, or that awful ones don't get through (its the same thing in History, peer review doesn't suddenly mean bad papers don't get published). But I'm just not seeing anything so far that supports what you're saying that they do not have a peer-review process.
The three sites are listed in the materials and methods section (under “procedure”) and are: 4thwavenow, transgender trend, and youthtranscriticalprofessionals :thinking:
I would say that this study is a good indication that those claims are lies.
Bad papers can make it through a peer-review process, but that doesn't suddenly mean they don't have one. According to their Editorial Board listing, there are over 7400 editors, different specialties mind you so its not as if every single person on there is going to have every single paper. But they seem to have a fairly wide pool of people to draw from. Peer-review isn't foolproof, but again a bad paper isn't suddenly a sign of something not having a peer-review process. Often-times it can be down to the reviewers themselves, procrastinating on their reviews, not paying close attention, etc... I've heard horror stories from the history side of things.
one study published by a random researcher on a site of questionable veracity i'm sure everything it says is 100% true
i know i've personally had something like this happen to me. i was depressed, had been depressed, and didn't know why. i was a part of some anime twitter circles, and one of the people in them of them started doing some crossdressing, then a few more started with them. shit like kneesocks and frilly dresses. they were talking about feeling dysphoria and the crossdressing helped, but outside those posts they seemed just as depressed. i started getting similar feelings, even shaved my legs, and did feel some kind of relief, but having used drugs as a coping mechanism for depression myself it was the same kind of relief. short-lived, surface level relief. the pain was still deep down there, just covered up, for a short while. i guess i should also mention many of those in that group did drugs, as well. i drifted away from them for a few reasons, and those feelings of dysphoria drifted away too. from what i can tell, only one of them stuck with it. this happened, oh, 3 years ago now. yeah, it's anecdotal, but it was a real experience to me. the trans community can provide just that: community. for people suffering from depression or feelings of discomfort, it can be a bit of light to find somewhere you feel accepted. of course there are many with genuine gender dysphoria that these communities can help, but there are a lot of non-professionals in these communities who, though well-intentioned, might push people who aren't truly dysphoric into thinking they are. i know of several places that encourage people to transition, and other places that provide information on self-medicating with HRT. i don't mean harm by this comparison, it is just an observation, but it reminds me of a cult. similar suceptibilities in people, and the cutting off of contact outside their circle they found is something i have seen as well. again, i mean absolutely no harm by this, and think it is terrible someone would, but it is a similarity i can't shake. i think more investigation into the social side of trans is as important as the biological side. people can find happiness through transitioning, but not everyone will find lasting happiness through it. it is a big step to take without a professional. online therapy from untrained people isn't an adequate replacement for trained therapy.
man i wish my dysphoria would just up and evaporate like that
for garbage pop sci this is pretty low-tier even for this forum you dont even have to debate the conclusion, you just have to take one look at the methodology and break out into laughter.
Yeah I'm worried. This is headline bait and I think it's already worked. If the aim was to add credibility to a transphobic hate group, all they need is the headline and they're good to go.
Conflating gender dysphoria and body dysmorphia is considered pretty bad form, as an aside. They have very little to actually do with each other and it's too easy to jump to conclusions about what the treatment for dysphoria should be if you think of the two as too similar.
We don't give minors sex changes or even hormones. Blockers are the most we do, usually. And genital surgery has around 98% satisfaction rate according to the actual data which could someone else please pull up for me, I'm on my phone. Individual surgeons don't speak for everybody, I'll tell you that, and they sure don't know everything.
do you have evidence for the vast majority regretting the decision. Also you'll hear from interviewing trans people that the effects of puberty are pretty harmful to their mental health, and there's a lot of envy for "young transitioners" within the community. So while I don't know of any studies that actually attempt to address outcomes of starting early vs. later, it's plausible that it actually is helpful, and it IS being done and studied at the moment.
Personally I think cisgender people should have to get a doctor's approval and a two-year waiting period before being allowed to go through natural puberty
Interestingly I know two people who would actually fall into what this "research" describes. They were in their teens, lots online, social issues and all that but never any indication for being uncomfortable with their gender. Seen them hangout a lot with in a stream where LGBT stuff was popular, but the kind you see mostly on tumblr. Eventually they came out as trans and both shifted their problems over on that. This is pretty much just an anecdotal story and I do not imply that hanging around with LGBT people suddenly makes you gay/trans but the shift was quite dramatic, so much that it just looks like they found company and safety in that group, thus adapting. It did help them, as they could also speak with others about their problems but it still makes me wonder if they just didn't adapt to their surroundings to cope better with the original issues. Most likely its just similar to when people hang out with the wrong people or try to escape to drugs, except here its not wrong, or harmful substances. Again no ill intention in writing this if my wording is a bit weird, just an observation I made on two occasions.
... that's not a lot of kids. That's just the same kid 3 times in a row.
i wonder what it's like to miss a joke this badly do you have a problem with 'cis'? like you are aware it's a medical term right?
not even a medical term they're both just latin prefixes trans = across cis = on the side of
"Nah its them fucking Tumblr Autists who made it up"
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