• Blocked from giving away 3D-printed gun blueprints, man will sell them instead
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https://www.texastribune.org/2018/08/28/3d-printed-gun-blueprints-cody-wilson-selling/ An Austin resident and self-described “crypto-anarchist” said Tuesday he’ll begin selling blueprints that would allow users to 3D print their own plastic guns — a day after a federal judge extended a temporary block preventing him from making the plans available on the web for free. In other words: If he can’t be the “Napster” of crypto-guns, he’ll be the “iTunes,” Wilson told reporters at a press conference Tuesday in Austin. The decision could put Wilson, currently at the center of a slew of court disputes across the country, on shaky legal footing. Wilson has argued in court that preventing him from publishing the blueprints infringes on his First Amendment rights. But Monday’s injunction said the potential harms to Wilson’s First Amendment rights “are dwarfed by the irreparable harms the States are likely to suffer” if he was permitted to post the blueprints for free. Nearly two dozen states that lined up against Wilson in court have said the untraceable plastic guns made using the blueprints would pose an enormous security risk. Wilson’s right to disseminate the plans “is currently abridged, but it has not been abrogated,” U.S. District Judge Robert Lasnik wrote in the Monday injunction. Wilson called the injunction “hysterical,” saying that the order allows his company to sell the designs and distribute them to customers through the mail, over email and with secure downloadable links. No judge can prevent the plans from spreading, he said. About 30 minutes into the press conference, Wilson glanced down at his phone: “I’ve gotten 392 orders since this press conference began,” he announced. Josh Blackman, Wilson’s lawyer, said in an interview Tuesday that selling the blueprints directly to people within the United States is perfectly legal. “It’s not about distribution, it’s about posting them,” Blackman said. “There’s no prohibition on distributing these files — the prohibition is on doing it in a way that foreign persons can access.” Still, it’s possible that the decision to sell the blueprints could spark a new legal challenge. Washington Attorney General Bob Ferguson, who is leading a 19-state challenge to Wilson, reiterated Tuesday that Wilson is not permitted to post plans online for free but did not comment on the plans to sell them. “Because of our lawsuit, it is once again illegal to post downloadable gun files to the internet,” Ferguson said. “I trust the federal government will hold Cody Wilson, a self-described 'crypto-anarchist,' accountable to that law. If they don't, President Trump will be responsible for anyone who is hurt or killed as a result of these weapons.”
I mean, you really can't stop it at this point from a practical standpoint, but I'm still worried. I know Facepunch is pretty pro-gun and hate the idea of gun bans, but this feels like it would make even gun control far more complicated.
I’m not really too scared of these. They’re generally one shot and extremely expensive to make. You can already legally make your own guns which are far cheaper and more reliable. If you want to be able to effectively kill with these, you’d need to use them like Reaper from Overwatch. https://youtu.be/doB1Z0zxhrY (0:28)
Pretty sure after one shot those things would break.
It's too bad that puny little gun shoots a bullet instead of gamma rays
They're not expensive to make at all.
https://youtu.be/mFlAyxSRsOc The press conference he did when he announced he was selling the files is worth a watch in my opinion.
I still laugh at all the media bullshit. ~ooOOOOoooh gost gun~ With the amount of cash it costs to buy a 3d printer and get it working you could probably have made like 20 pipe shotguns but you don't hear them wanting to ban pipe sales because people can make deadly weapons out of a $10 length of pipe and some wood.
This, also consider that people with the expensive 3D printers (Not some chinese knockoff and cheap-o PLA filament) would be by and large responsible, trained, level headed gun owners. Not some redneck or off his rocker mass shooter. The judge blocking this is basically acting as if the Anarchist's Cookbook doesn't even exist.
You can make far more efficient killing tools in your basic metalwork shop, honestly. 3D Printed guns are overblown, and inferior to even the shittest of tool-shop bang-sticks. The Viet Cong proved that you can make incredibly efficient firearms out of NOTHING. PA Luty also did it to prove a point.
Here is the thing though: Harddrives used to be 50 pounds and hold a gigabyte at most. Now we can hold half a terabyte in less than a dimes size Cars used to go only 30mph at top speed and that was pushing it. Now we can go 200mph on solar energy. Phones used to be bricks, now they're super computers that use the above storage method and can connect to the above car and can navigate you across the country Gun used to require shitty manually loaded... you see where I'm going with this? 3D printed guns will eventually become better and better and cheaper and cheaper. It's only a matter of time. You are right to not be concerned at this moment, of course, obviously.
Blueprints for complete guns have been available online for a long time. I've had some for nearly a decade. Nothing Cody Wilson is doing is new, he's just the most well publicised.
Firearms since the 1800s have been getting compacter and cheaper and easier to produce, and yet, still, they are relatively restricted in most countries. Do you really think that 3D guns will be the breakthrough for firearms that turns them into a hugely-proliferated item? Like, lemme straight up say this: Manufacturers have been trying to sell firearms to everyone since the time of the Penny Farthing. Firearms development has literally not stopped since gunpowder was invented. Technological advancement since the 1970s has done barely a damn thing to change the landscape of the firearm. There have not been any serious breakthroughs in the world of the gun since like, the eighties, and even then, the old stalwarts like the 1911 and the Ithaca 37 have yet to be significantly innovated on. Firearms are like wheels-- development is a diminishing return. There is not now, or ever, going to be a major breakthrough in the ballistics firearm world that will drastically increase the amount of guns. Why? Because guns have been produced in batches of thousands by companies like FN and Colt since before the turn of the century. Guns probably straight-up outnumber people. This is nothing. This is a drop in the bucket. The military industrial complex beat this to the punch nearly a hundred years ago. Even if you had a hundred John Sovcits in their mom's basements printing out 200 BangOMatic 900 revolvers each it's going to do nothing to the amount of guns out there compared to what the absolute bastards in large corporations can do with their manufacturing ability --- and to a far more efficient degree. The average 3D printed guns are gonna have a way higher failure rate than hand-tooled firearms, and they're gonna have way higher failure rates than the amount of guns that the firearms manufacturers churn out-- and more to the point, losses are less sustainable for John Sovcit when he churns out guns from his 3D Printer. The tidal wave of banger-boos you're scared of? It's already happened, and people said nothing, and did nothing, about it. If you want to feel your spine rattle in horror, look up how many Kalashnikovs have been stamped since the '50s.
Eh, its not like gun control will ever work. Its the same exact thing with the prohibition of alcohol this country used to have. The amount of guns in existence, world wide surpassed the point of control decades ago. Adding printable guns to the market really only opens it up to people who have the money for a printer, and materials to print said gun. Cost wise, its easier to just straight up buy a gun, or what a few others have suggested, buy a pipe. If there should be any concern over the blueprints, it should be the proven safety of them. Not sure I'd feel comfortable shooting several hundred rounds over the course of time like I would with a normal gun at the range with one of these.
Can mint a STEN or one of PA Luty's firearms for far less.
Who the hell wants to print one of these to commit crimes when you can just buy a high point, or get one from anyone who knows a guy who knows a guy on the streets for even less than $100
Yes but also no They aren't exactly going to revolutionize guns, but eventually 3D printed guns themselves will become easier to produce, and better 3D printed guns will be available, possibly being as good as todays more lower end mass production guns. I'm less talking about the implications of 3D printed guns, and more talking about the fact that even though theyr'e pretty much really modern flintlocks that you can only shoot once, they're eventually going to stop being that and become actual viable weapons. I reaaaaally don't see some asshole buying a 3D printer in 20 years to shoot up a school. I don't know why you think I don't already know about the popularity of guns or why I have some deep seated fear of them, but OK I guess
You are, but are you aware of the scale of it? I was told by a former salesman for FN Herstal that "for every beat and a half of your heart, another twenty to sixty guns are made, somewhere". I've got no real sources on the minute to minute production of guns, truth be told, but taking in that kinda scale is... really telling. Humanity is a race of excesses.
Expensive as in it takes all day to print one and you need a somewhat-expensive 3D printer who's cost would be better spent on a more-capable hi-power.
I really don't care about the scale of it, because that's not what I'm arguing.
Honestly, if Cody Wilson and DefDist wanted to really fuck with people, he'd release a CNC mill that costs $200 or less.
add another zero to that number, and that's exactly what hes doing Ghost Gunner 2 – Deposit – Ghost Gunner https://youtu.be/Q5cwP1HmEGo
cody wilson is such a 1776 thumping jerkoff
That's the entire idea behind it 3d printing technology has barely left its infancy. Over time they'll be able to fabricate things out of stronger materials, and become more commonplace. They might barely be able to manage a gun that doesn't explode inside the first few shots today, but I imagine not far down the line they'll be able to be used to manufacture metallic components.
Yeah 3d printing is kind of a fun gimmick with a few pratical applications, but a decade or two from now you might be able to 3d print airplane and car parts. You can get a mill cheaper but you still need to be a competent machinist to fabricate firearms. Stuff like this is probably going to cause countries to require a license and heavily regulate 3d printing technologies.
Lmao "crypto anarchist" Well in any case, the Liberator is such a joke of a meme gun. The thing isn't going to cause more damage than an airsoft pistol. Cartridges aren't magical devices that will cause bullets to fly at supersonic speeds without a tight fitting barrel containing the pressure. Shooting with the liberator is about as effective as putting ammunition in a microwave. Here's some of its most popular features! - Fires .22, just about the smallest common cartridge. - Has an extremely short unrifled barrel made of whatever plastic your printer produces, which ranges from brittle to more flexible, none of which are capable of creating any useful chamber pressure, and all of which will either deform or shatter after one or a few firings. - Less accuracy than a 17'th century musket due to the above. - Kills itself when you shoot it (not that replacing the barrel takes any longer than reloading, but have fun disassebling the entire mechanism when the hammer breaks.) Results will obviously vary from person to person and material to material, but I saw someone on YouTube shoot the ting at a cardboard target, and it didn't penetrate the cardboard.
Indeed. The primary investment would be a 3D printer, but many people have them and they're useful for lots of stuff.
You wouldn't download a gun
Literally don't worry. Your country is full of CNC equipment far more capable in this purpose, but people aren't abusing that fact to often in the UK. Consumer 3D printers will not result in an increase of actually illicit guns being produced, as the actually useful ones still require metal parts (like the barrel) to actually function like a real gun.
That's the whole point of this, to frustrate gun control.
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