• The School Shootings that Weren't.
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The School Shootings That Weren't Read the full article. Really interesting stuff about how bad the statics gathering methods for schools are in general, not just for shootings.
Sad that there are any at all. At my old high school we had plenty of kids get expelled after carrying firearms / knives on campus, I wonder how much of that data was pooled into the "shootings" reporting.
This is addressed in the article.
One student at my high school got expelled and sent to another school because he had his shotgun in his car. Which was in the parking lot. He was on the school's trap team. They use shotguns Whatever
If they could see that the gun was in the car, then chances are the gun wasn’t secured in a safe. That’s really poor form. The school was justified with the expulsion. if something like that happened here, the entire neighbourhood would go into lockdown and police would be everywhere.
Or you know, you could not ruin someones education and just punish them and tell them to secure it properly or perhaps invest in a gunsafe at the school itself.
At my school a kid got expelled because he had a crossbow disassembled in the back of his car and the school security officer saw it from outside walking by his car.
I tend to think that ruining a student's adolescent life over ultimately harmless rules violations is a really stupid policy. If the kid had a legitimate reason to have a shotgun and it wasn't stolen then 'poor form' is all it was, and expelling a student over poor form is ridiculous.
Fun fact: I think it was the supreme court which ruled that students have a right to a trial before being expelled School Expulsion My child has gotten into trouble and may be expelled. What rights do we have? Your child has the right to a hearing before being expelled. The hearing must be held within 11 school days after he or she has been taken out of school. The only time a hearing can be skipped is if there is an emergency (for example, if the school believes a child is dangerous to himself or others if he stays in the classroom).
I don't believe there's any 'duty to inform' however, meaning they don't have to tell them they have any such rights; it's then on the child and the parents to assert their rights, which would require them to know those rights in advance.
It could have been locked in a case in the car but again, the kid was on a trap team. Should he have taken the gun into all of his classes? Imagine living in a country so hysterical over guns that they'd shut down a city over a side by side.
Couldn't he at least put it in the trunk? That it was discovered implies that it was visible from the outside. You should at the very least cover it up or something.
I can tell you my personal skeet gun wouldn't have fit in my first car's trunk unless I took it apart. Also, if the school has a trap shooting team, they should let students on the team bring their guns in and store them inside the building. If they can't be fucked to offer that as a service, they should suck it up and accept that students have to put them somewhere.
I don't get it, don't they have specialized locker rooms for sports equiment in the gymnasium in the first place?
Yes, but I'm not putting my gun in a locker room locker lol. If it fits in the first place, it's going to get scratched to fuck going in and out of a metal locker and will be just as or maybe more vulnerable to theft. "Ok, welcome to the trap team, first we'll be going over how to send and recall your gun from other dimensions so it's not on school property"
School should have the guns stored in the building securely or School should fuck off and not allow it to begin with and it wouldn't be a problem
That's what I'm saying, the school should get part of the blame if it doesn't. Students should only be blamed if they're offered the service but don't use it.
Or the students can suck it up and not bring their guns to school? No one's forcing them to do trap shooting at school lol.
What lmao? If the school offers trap shooting as an activity, and has a skeet range on school property, how are they going to participate in that school sponsored team if they "suck it up and don't bring their guns to school"???
"No one's forcing them to do trap shooting at school lol"
Have you had your coffee this morning?
A skeet gun is usually about 14 feet long and wont fit in a cars trunk unless its one of those old aircraft carrier size caddy's. The kid could have also been driving a hatchback. What is even your point? Are kids not allowed to pursue elective sport hobbies just because their school is unocommadting?
The situation here is so oddly specific (school that offers trap shooting as a sport and has shooting facilities but no gun storage) that I can't help but see it as grasping for straws.
Grasping for what straws? We're discussing an actual situation where a student on the trap team was expelled for having his shotgun visible in his car. "Schools that offer trap shooting as an elective should have secure storage for the guns so that this isn't a problem" isn't grasping for anything.
Perhaps I should have replied to this post instead: If the issue was that the school's storage facilities were not to your liking, then it's entirely on you if you insist on bringing your gun to the school without using the storage facilities offered.
You realize that gym lockers are 1 foot by 1 foot boxes right? You cant fit a shotgun with a 30 inch barrel in one of those. Even the standard highschool locker isnt tall enough to fit one. The point that Grenadiac was making is that the storage facilities your standard highschool have are not adequate on any level. Theyre not safe enough, secure enough, or even bug enough.
Then why have a trap team if you're not going to have a safe way to store the weapons in an controlled enviroment.
Yea thats the question everyone is asking. Theres honestly not an excuse for it. A lot of older schools in the US have shooting galleries in the basement for sport shooting teams. Pretty much all of them are disused but the facilities for safe firearm storage still exist, they just get turned into mop closets.
Or maybe you could suck it up and not freak out over the fact that guns are used in some sports and extracurricular activities.
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