Eurosceptic MP resigns Labour Party whip of ‘antisemitism’
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Eurosceptic MP resigns Labour Party whip over ‘anti
Veteran Eurosceptic MP Frank Field has resigned the Labour Party whip, accusing the leadership of becoming “a force for anti-Semitism in British politics” and complaining about a culture of intolerance within the party.
This is the first I've heard of Labour being Anti-Semitic. Aren't they supposed to be the left-wing party?
They are. The right wing element of the party (equivalent of the Dem establishment) is so incompetent and scared of Corbyn they are basically calling him and anyone who criticizes Israel anti Semitic. It isn't working nearly as well as a smear as they thought.
Also this whip is despised and is about to be voted out by his own constituents, he's basically trying to fuck over Corbyn as one last ditch effort. The Labour right would rather the party lose as conservatives than win as social democrats.
Oh, so it's the "Criticize Israel? You're a racist!" idiot fringe. Well, good riddance, then.
Such a truity on both sides of the pond.
Well this time as real Democratic Socialism according to his supporters and Corbyn himself.
It gets better guy is a racist, he was leaving anyway and wanted to go as a heroic martyr whilst inflicting maximum damage. This guy wrote on a right wing paper an article praising Enoch Powell, frankly he's a Conservative and should have gone long ago
I certainly wouldn't call Labour anti-semitic, but being left-wing doesn't mean you can't be anti-semitic, as history has shown us.
Corbyn literally associates with holocaust deniers, I think it's safe to say he's anti semite.
Just the socialist hit squad pushing out another MP who didn't go along with Corbyns radical line.
I have to be honest. I've very impressed at how you manage to make these posts using only your arse.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/20/jeremy-corbyns-10-year-association-group-denies-holocaust/
It's pretty well known, there's also been pictures of him in meetings with known holocaust deniers.
It's a well known trait among socialists who see jews as some kind of capitalist entity.
Gotta say it's funny to hear that coming from a Euroseptic.
it's a load of shit
I'm not very good with British politics at all, but as an old-school social-democrat type, I thought it was good that someone like Corbyn came along to move the Labour party away from the Third Way and towards actual social-democracy again, socioeconomically. Now I'm not so sure about him anymore though. Can you really blame people for being suspicious of him when he keeps saying and doing all this borderline shit, like what he said about 'English Zionists', and then explains that 'well I actually meant this lol'? I kind of feel like maybe people are a bit too eager to defend him because of what I mentioned about moving away from the Third Way?
You’ve been on a mission to wipe Corbyn since he became petty leader by regurgitating headline soundbites.
didnt you tell us Corbyn literally wants to run the U.K. like Venezuela the other day? You get dragged for your shit and then scurry off and wait for another thread and do it again.
I even remember how gleefully certain you were that Corbyn was going to destroy the party in last years election. The worst of it is I’m pretty sure you’re a labour supporter. You’re possessed by your hatred. Maybe have a read of what Corbyn actually says and wants to do instead of regurgitating analysis from the Sun columnists. He isn’t immune to criticism but valid criticisms aren’t ‘hamas loving anti Semite who literally wants Venezuela’.
I didn't say he wants to run it like venezuela, only that he's been known to have admired venezuela, which is true.
I mena of course I hate him, he's going to hand the tories another 5 year in the next election because him and everyone around him are idiots. You've got Corbyn and this shit, John Mcdonnell standing around with soviet flags waving behind him, Diane Abbott saying that Mao did more good than bad, and you somehow think these people have any chance of winning an election? And this is just the gaffs, their actual policy is so far pretty awful and poorly thought out so far as well, they pretty much have nothing going for them, just relying on students and life long labour voters to get by.
And it's hardly "The Sun"'s analysis, I literally gave an article from the telegraph above. Or is the telegraph also "fake news"?
Wow you found some left wing slang for a newspaper that doesn't have an inherent socialist bias, nice. The Telegraph is known to be fairly reputable as a paper.
Okay but there's a difference between a well known and long standing bias in favour of the Tories and "not being socialist lol".
I'm not really sure what you are doing here other than regurgitating the smears pushed by the right wing media? If you are so sad that Corbyn is this apparent PR disaster maybe you should stop helping to push the narratives responsible? lol.
"Corbyn hates the jews! look the Telegraph says so!" Ofc they do mate, they're the fucking Telegraph.
You could replace Corbyn with any leftist and they would be the baby-killing harbinger of the next soviet union (who hates The Troops™) in headlines the following week.
What's your solution here? Everyone should back the furthest right Labour politicians possible in the hopes the media barons go easy on them?
Pretty much every paper out there has a political bias of some kind. The Telegraph has a bias towards the Tories in the sense that the articles it will produce will tend to be more positive to one side than the other. That doesn't however mean that the articles are straight up fabrications, as I said, you could dismiss other papers like the guardian on the same basis.
See, this is why I think your issue with Corbyn has less to do with his apparent ~un-electable nature~, and more to do with the fact that you just don't seem to like socialists very much.
If the right wing press really only cares about candidates ~doing and saying stupid things~ as opposed to smearing them for not aligning with their political agendas, why is the current Tory leadership given such favour in the press?
Off the top of my head you have such distinguished, respectable, figures as Theresa may, Boris Johnson, and Jeremy Hunt- all guilty of appalling gaffs- including making overtly racist remarks, all guilty of holding terrible political stances (including genuine support for the privatisation of UK healthcare), and all demonstrably awful at their jobs.
And yet the same kind of paper you are claiming is well respected and honest regularly describes them as cunning and Machiavellian figures or smooth political operators that have everything under control.
You have to be incredibly naive to believe that anyone remotely left wing is going to escape this kind of character assassination. If you fact check the rubbish you can read about Corbyn, it turns out that 90% of it is completely fabricated.
Fuck, the Mail online printed a work of literal speculative fiction about Corbyn destroying Britain and turning london into a dystopian hellscape where the air was unfit to breathe in the run up to the last snap election.
should we not be judging potential candidates on the merits of their potential policy rather than their ability to be immune to character assassination? given the election last year it started becoming clear that the public were growing tired of the media circus surrounding Corbyn and instead were listening to what he had to say and what the party was proposing - you know, the things that matter?
A far cry from completely destroying the Labour party as you predicted, infact it seems the media smear and subsequently people like you continue to be more of a threat to Labour power than Corbyn ever will be.
The fact you make your blatant double standards clear here:
"If you want a solution, stop backing shit candidates with histories of doing and saying really stupid things that can be used against them in the future. They don't have to be right wing, just not nutty socialists from the suicide note era."
is quite telling
Na man, Telegraph is shit, like far worse than the Guardian.
As for the Corbyn issue, I don't think Corbyn is himself an anti semite but he does seem a bit naive, like he'll eagerly associate with bad people in the hope that they'll stop being bad, looking for a peaceful solution to issues but those people won't stop being bad, they're exploiting his kindness/optimism. This is part of why I don't like him, he seems arbitarily contrarian, he'll try to defend any minor cause or ~alternative~ solution, he seems very unpragmatic - imo not a good personality for a PM. He's a nice person but I can't see him, as a leader, getting much done. The energy and hope he's created will get stuff done tho.
Onto antisemitism (applies to racism in general I guess)
Anti semitism in the UK is p wide ranging, it's not unique to labour. Several people I've talked to (non politicially aligned) will say stuff like "He's a such a jew" if they're tight with money and wayyyyyy too many people conflate jews with bad banking and wayyyyy too many people blame jews for the bullshit Israel does, awfully I've heard several people say absolute bs like "hitler was right", it's p disgraceful. I don't want to "virtue signal" but I have challenged these peeps, I think perhaps they're saying it "lightly" or out of habit but that sort of ambient racism helps the really hardcore arseholes thrive and lets them get away with the "i wAs BeInG iRoNiC!" bs
Racism is so widespread, at least amongst people I know. After the manchester attack last year I hear normal people saying shit like "send them all home", not some skin head 50 year old gammon but people who seem otherwise normal and nice.
Maybe labour ain't doing enough to challenge these people but it's not, as a whole, a racist party, you'll find racism across party lines. The "nasty labour party" is propaganda cooked up because peeps are scared of Corbyn and blaming labour for the recession finally stopped working after 10 years.
All that said Labour has attracted a group of people who seem angry and more militant - not necessarily racist peeps, but those who accuse everyone they disagree with of being blairites to shut down discussion and suppress views, maybe I'm wrong but I feel this sort of radicalism tends to come with a propensity to believe conspiracy theories, and sadly many conspiracy theories target jews, like jewish bankers running the world etc. The general "ambient" racism + "subtle" antisemitism regarding bankers will compound into overt racism.
A final note for my thoughts. I think I am an "anti zionist" not because of Jews or Israel specifically but coz I think any state specifically constructed around an ethnic identity (or worse religion) is unfavourable - it would be ok if Israel was a benevolent influence on its neighbours but whats happening in Gaza is awful. Now imo it's not on Israel for this, the blame should fall on the Government and on groups like Hamas - but people supporting those 2 groups are too blame, but with constant war and fear it's sort of expected that people support such extreme peeps.
Netanyahu and Hamas both benefit from the continued conflict, they instability and fear means people turn to more radical government and representation. Netanyahu and Hamas will both no pursue peace because it's not in their interests - if there were peace they would both become irrelevant. I know there are also groups lobbying the US government to back Israel but I think thats only part of the story, it's also geo political having an ally in the area (coz turkey has gone nuts) is considered important.
Peeps who blame all jews for the actions of the Israeli government are dumb
I mean I don't like socialists because their ideas are awful and are what led to the disastrous 1970's labour travesty, also killing the Attlee government all the way back in the 40's because they decided Attlee was "too rightwing", and their complete inability to compromise on anything due to thinking their ideals are some sort of immutable moral good. As a result of these things, they are also totally and utterly unelectable, the gaffs just help to show how totally incompetent current labour is. People don't trust the socialists because of their history of fucking everything up whenever they get the reigns, and the fact that they treat the labour party as a socialist party, when it is in fact supposed to be a left coalition from across the left side of the spectrum. Now of course though they're just forcing everyone who isn't far left enough out of the party. It's the wilderness years all over again the Corbyn supporters are too thick to see it.
Tory gaffs are brought up all the time, particularly the current Tory government which are pretty much unpopular with everyone, the idea that nobody pays attention to them is just nonsense on par with Trump's fake news crap. I guess the horseshoe theory prevails once again.
Labours antisemitism (or more generally ~the left~s antisemitism) problem repeatedly makes front page. The tories racism problem is either sectioned of to individual members (like Boris) or gets a one line mention at the end of page spanning Labour antisemitism articles - "the conservatives have also been accused for islamophobia". Jewish groups who deny the "labour is antisemetic" arguement are either branded radicals or ignored wholesale. Media coverage is overwhelmingly one sided imo.
Also look at the context, corbyn has been repeatedly attacked. Labour is sexist, Labour is homophobic and now Labour is racist. Other smear campaigns didn't stick nd this one has. That's not to deny the existence of racism, but its not a labour issue, its a problem with society at large.
Also you've admitted to having a bias against the politics here so perhaps your opinions on the matter aren't wholly untainted from that bias. Like if you don't like and party and lots of news is saying bad things about the party you might be more open to buying it and believing otherwise junk sources like the telegraph. Not tryna witch hunt, alienate you or gatekeep the discussion, just were all open to bias and being aware and open to the influence of bias helps discussion imo
Literally everyone has some bias, I'm pretty sure most people here would be more open to hearing bad news about the tories or the dreaded blairites than about Corbyn
That's pretty rich coming from a dude who seems to think nobody would vote for a Socialist Labour party purely because he wouldn't.
Like, that's a cute political opinion you have there- but ultimately that's all this post is. You have stated your opinion as objective fact and lamented how clueless everyone else is for not seeing things your way.
No shit you buy into all of the smear campaigns, they are selling you exactly what you already want to believe. You have literally stated you hate the more left wing elements of Labour enough to vote instead for the party that played kingmaker in favour of the Tories and helped get us all into this mess in the first place.
A party isn't un-electable just because you would never vote for them.
In my opinion, the Tories should be utterly un-electable by now.
They only look out for the obscenely wealthy, their ideologically motivated austerity measures are decimating the lower classes, the national debt has tripled under Tory rule while the richest people in Britain have doubled their wealth, our police have been rendered almost entirely toothless in certain areas and the NHS is starting to buckle under their constant cuts - and if that wasn't good enough, they are currently poised to drive our country off a cliff in deference to the slim majority result of a non-binding public referendum.
And yet- even still, no matter how impossible it seems to my personal political leanings, people will still vote for them.
No I don't think anyone will vote socialist labour because a socialist labour party pretty much never wins elections. You seem to forget Corbyn lost the last election and is currently losing most of the polls despite the fact that at this point he should be winning them all. Britain doesn't want socialist labour, but corbyn supporters spend too much time in their leftwing echo chambers to realise this.
The majority of people support the kinds of changes proposed in last years manifesto.
Why didn't we win then? Why is losing the majority of polls? Was the election also fake news?
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