Barnier stands firm on post-Brexit border in Irish Sea - Polidicks

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/aug/31/barnier-stands-firm-erecting-post-brexit-border-irish-sea No surrender.

It's not even your fight, stop acting like this affects you.

he might make money if britain ruins it's trade with everyone who isn't the commonwealth, therefore it is his fight for him to bet money on

You lived in New Zealand dude. And please give up with this British Nationalist Otherkin crap.

I just read that whole article and there was absolutely nothing of substence. Like how in the hell are people this stupid to think you can make 2+2 =5, these aren't trade issues they're physical issues that cannot be overcome under the existing sovernty system. nothing will ever be as good as the frictionless trade that exists today

This is what happens when you follow feelings more than facts.

Tired of experts etc

Yep, first major red flag that your side is full of shit, you can't present facts to back your claims, so what do you fight, facts and information themselves. Assert experts are elitist or liberal shills or any other conspiratorial garbage. Appeal to emotions and fears, exploit the lowest common denominator. That is why all Boilrig can offer is empty platitudes. All signs point towards Brexit being a total train-wreck, in every conceivable way. But I've yet to see a single credible source brought by up "Mr Unconvincible"

There's no way the DUP or other unionists in Northern Ireland would accept this, the problem is you also can't have a border between NI and the Republic of Ireland and you can't have a border between ROI and the rest of the EU but there has to be a border somewhere for the UK to not have free movement so basically we need to create a border which doesn't exist anywhere but is definitely a border.

You realise the concept of never surrendering, despite new evidence coming to light, is one of the attributes of many of the worst people in history? It's just not a scientific way to conduct ourselves policy wise to stick to our guns no matter what.

Yes boilrig it's very easy to be all happy about this when you live on the other side of the planet, not so great when you live in the middle of it and have to deal with the trashing of the economy and massive increase in flight prices if you want to go and see family in Ireland. Currently I can quite easily hop on a plane for £15 and go see them, but not post brexit. Oh but at least we'll have our "sovereignty" I guess, in fact it'll probably be the only thing any of us have after the country becomes a giant slum.

What does this even mean?

It means he still wants to push his agenda but is too lazy to even bother trying to defend it.

it sounds like May's plan is to go along with them until its absolutely the last moment for a brexit deal then throw them under the bus with a hard border between them and britain. Rather ironic if it were to go down that way.

Don't let common sense, facts, basic logic or simple foresight win always succumb to your lowest instincts. As much as I could enjoy the Schadenfreude. The people this going to hit the hardest are the poor ones, dampening any sense of humour I could have gotten out of this. A hard Brexit will just be a decline in economics, it will deepen the divide further, it may split the Irish once again, it will waste resources on both sides of the channel. Democracy must be executed on a level playing field to work, which the Leave campaign didn't, it was fuelled my Russian money, ran on misinformation and broke laws. As much as I would like to stick it to the conservative populist UK government right now and will enjoy watching them get taken apart next election, I am still empathetic to my fellow UK citizens which have to bear this chaos on their shoulders. The politicians will most likely get off scot-free but the livelihoods of many Brits will be seriously threatened That just sucks so bad.

As much as I could savour this Schadenfreude. Less Schadenfreude, more sarcastic fatalism mixed with a little disappointment. Over the time I got the impression that this Brexit-Thing is at its core not about leaving the EU, but more about destroying it. And I'm a bit indignant over the Germanophobia. Ok, this is UKIP. It's painful watching. But still, you guys sent them into European Parliament and they play a big part in Brexit. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfq8pNL99hE Like 1939? Really? UKIP in short: "Our beloved polish sisters and brothers! Join our war against Germany! Like 1939! But first get out of our country, you dirty Polacks!" Well ... The only way to avoid a Hard-Brexit now, is imho that remainers and soft-brexiters work together. And it's disappointing to see that you guys are not able to make that happen. Not even a prolongation on the negotiation period seems possible. (When Greenland left, negotiations took four years. And that was only about fishery rights.) So, no Schadenfreude. I would have preferred you stayed in the EU. But I can't do anything about it, it's up to you. So I decided to welcome the inevitable.

The only way to avoid a hard Brexit now is for May and her cronies to stop acting like such petulant children, you mean.

It's usually a saying that a LOT of Loyalists, Northern Irish folk that what to stay part of Britain say when the idea of Ireland being unified again is brought up. It's also said by unionists and people who like to march in Orange walks. Cunts usually

Yes, I know. From the begining they just used the threat that a hard brexit would hit the EU economically as hart as themselfs. They thought the problem of Brexit is not about getting trade deals with countries around North- and Baltic Sea. That's easy-peasy. Shows history. That's just a question of money (You want access to this profitable market? You for have to pay for maintaining and developing the market. You are rich enough. Easy-Peasy) The real problems of Brexit are border problems with Ireland and to a lesser extend Spain. I don't know much about the history of Britian and Ireland/Spain (yes, there were wars we didn't take part :-) ) But I think you can call the relations a special friendship. And it seemed that problems resulting from this friendship were somehow 'solved' just by being together in the EU. Just my two cents (euro-cents)

oh ya Gibraltar have they even touched negotiating with spain over that?

Pretty sure Spain told us to bend over and we haven't got back to them yet.

they have full veto too unlike ireland (favoritism eu...)

it's funny we have Gibraltar, it's like a big fuck you to Spain.

Wow with such intelligent and thought out input like this its a wonder the government haven't hired you to help with the negotiations.