Neil Armstrong biopic causes American flag controversy - Sensationalist Headlines

http://time.com/5383929/first-man-american-flag-moon/ While most people associate Armstrong with the iconic moment when he placed the American flag on the moon, director Damien Chazzell chose to cut out the moment for the biopic based on James Hansen’s biography of Armstrong’s life. Ryan Gosling, who plays the first man to walk on the moon, gave an explanation for the decision that has caused some outraged. Gosling told reporters at the Venice Film Festival that the astronaut’s accomplishments “transcend countries and borders” and that he believes Armstrong did not view himself as an American hero. https://mobile.twitter.com/FredCFO/status/1035394265994674176 https://mobile.twitter.com/rpeck22/status/1035494524129341440 https://mobile.twitter.com/EthicalHackerXs/status/1035697615743012866 lmao

While the reasoning those tweets show is pretty ridiculous, I still do not agree with the removal of the planting of the flag. It was an important symbolic moment of the space race, at least in Munich opinion.

Do they not have the flag on the moon at all or are people upset there isn't a specific scene about planting the flag, while there's shots of the flag in the background of other scenes?

Judging from the article, there are scenes with the flag on the moon. You just don’t see Neil actually planting it.

Do they at least have a scene where it gets blown over by the exhaust as they leave?

Lunacy, lol.

While most people associate Armstrong with the iconic moment when he placed the American flag on the moon, director Damien Chazzell chose to cut out the moment for the biopic based on James Hansen’s biography of Armstrong’s life. Really? Pretty sure most people associate Armstrong with the "One small step for man; one giant leap for mankind" quote. I'm fairly certain the planting of the American flag is an afterthought to most people.

calling it an achievement that "transcends countries and borders" is not only historically ignorant, its very condescending. Landing the first men on the moon is a uniquely American achievement, and one Americans should rightfully feel proud of, stupendously proud. Moreover, its also iconic and part of the most significant achievement of Armstrong's career. Strange thing all around to play it this way.

is there something wrong about being happy that mankind got off the planet and not caring which square meterage the launch position was

the entire endeavor is an achievement of science and humanity, the flag was obligatory. It's fun we won the space race and all but fuck political boundaries at this level

I'd honestly like to think it's something humanity did, I don't get the point of putting walls around it

Forget about all those British and German rocket scientists who were hired by NASA to assist with the Apollo program, as well as many other talented individuals from all over the world who came together to make it happen then. And the fact that the landing was broadcast live across the world via the Parkes radio telescope in Australia. Because the US Government funded the mission makes it entirely their achievement then? Don't get me wrong, America definitely played the key role in the moon landing, but to even suggest it was a uniquely American achievement is entirely incorrect and a discredit to many of the talented people who worked night and day to see man land on the moon.

I don't really get all up in arms about silly nationalism and flags, but it is a historically important moment. The space race was about the U.S trying to demonstrate its superiority over the Soviet Union. Planting that flag was basically the reason they were sent up there. I can't wait for the cheeto to get in on this.

Sounds like a very ignorant reason not to include it. People wanna see this film just for that moment.

Up until now I actually did not know who of them planted the flag but I do know who said that iconic line.

Surely you must mean the historically accurate "One small step for an American, one giant leap for Amerikind".

Indeed, having the help of a nazi is a truly american thing

https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/space_launch_system.png

How is it condescending to say that "all of humanity worked together to make this achievement possible" but saying "Americans did it only lol" is humble? Russia beat us into space in some ways, afaik, and it was because of this competition, this human drive to compete and out compete, that we got to ever greater heights. But I guess that's condescending, right?

I mean. The movie is centered around Neil Armstrong. And its possible that the flag scene could've been disruptive to the flow of the movie. Which is why they cut it. And the whole point of the movie is about the man who first stepped onto the Moon and the space race around it. Not about the flag that got placed on it. Like imagine throughout the whole film, its been centered around Neil Armstrong. And all of a sudden you have to make this "Grandiose" scene around him putting a flag in dirt. Like yeah, the photo of him posing in front of the flag is great and all. But the actual process of putting the flag out was more tedious and was a lot less "EPIC" then what people are picturing it to be. Trying to make this feel "Grandiose" or "Epic" is going to come off as full on "NARM" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_H20GUvUfl4 Also. Personal opinion, i rather let the flag take a background seat in this movie. Cause thats not the point of the movie. The point of the movie is about Neil Armstrong and his life during the time of the Space race and the Apollo 11 space program. It isn't a story about him being a die-hard Patriot for his country (I dont think he ever was, and probably got bitter in life like Buzz Aldrin due to budget cuts and the decline of the Space Race). Like people are getting mad at a Movie for not being something that it isn't striving to be.

I think there's ways you can pull it off without making it some huge deal. Hell it could be 10 seconds of comedic relief of them fucking around with the stick trying to get it to work right. It doesn't need to be a drawn out ultra-patriotic thing.

No. The moon landing is a monument to the ingenuity of all mankind and it's desire to push the boundaries of discovery. The exploration of space is something we as humans should embrace together, not be like "lol fuck of get ur own moon landing".

Because all of humanity literally did NOT work together to make this achievement possible? Do you think the USSR was sharing tech and theories with the US? Its precisely the pissing contest between two identities that lead to such aggressive innovation. There are 195 recognized countries, as of today, 2018, only about 14 of them have space programs. In the 1950s and 60s how many countries do you truly think were contributing to the space race? If "all of humanity" did this, where was the filipino contribution, the indian, the papa new guinean, the nigerian, the afghani, the rhodesian, the laotian, the vietnamese, the australian, and so on and so forth? Clearly, far from a world achievement, since apparently at best only 2 other countries can be considered in a very strained manner to have contributed something or someone to the apollo project. Apollo was 99% american with one former Nazi engineer of note, who had became American citizen well before the mission. The others were a few british engineers. Its kind of hard to be an employee of NASA without being an american citizen since again, contrary to mawkish nonsense they are not an entity that embodies belief about not having a national identity or not believing in borders, quite the opposite really. And yeah Russia did beat everyone into space. Guess what? That achievement belongs to the USSR and no one else. There is also a bizarre thing going on here where everyone who is NOT american identifies with America when its something positive, but whenever its something bad or evil America has done in the world - which it has done PLENTY of - everyone is quick to remember what their nationality actually is and single out Americans as responsible. Suddenly the whole "we are all one" shit goes right out the window. Strange huh.

Are you suggesting that the Germans actually did it first? Hitler's on the moon, etc.? I don't really understand the rationale behind feeling proud of something other humans did just because they were born within the same borders as you. I get it from an instinctual, primal angle, but I recognise that it's just in-group bias.

by this logic nobody who worked on the project can feel pride in this accomplishment. including yourself. dummy

Yeah all remember the famous quote by the man himself one small step for man, one giant leap for AMERICA

I dont feel pride in it because I didn't work on it personally nor am I a citizen of the country whose historic achievement it belongs to. Dummy. low effort, own goal gotcha, good job.

Flag on the moon... how did it get there?...

https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/132446/77351d3e-63e9-4a9a-89da-3f28b6d5a09d/image.png holy fuck the irony

It's a silly thing to complain about, considering anybody old enough to remember the moon landing is in their 50s at the earliest.