Kentucky teen arrested in feud over dress code protest T-shirt
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https://nypost.com/2018/09/03/teen-arrested-in-feud-over-dress-code-protest-t-shirt-cops/
One Kentucky high school student was arrested and jailed following an altercation with her school’s resource officer over a dispute sparked by her so-called dress code protest T-shirt.
On Aug. 23, Isabella Messer wore an oversize turquoise T-shirt to Hopkinsville High School with the message “Do my shoulders turn you on?” printed across the front, the Lexington
Herald Leader reports. On the back, the shirt read, “If so, return to the 1920’s.”
Isabella’s mother, Theresa Rucks, told the outlet that parents were not informed of changes to the dress code for the 2018-2019 school year prior to the start of classes. Rucks alleges
that the new rules ban “exposed shoulders” and “see-through white clothes.”
According to WBKO, Isabella had previously been stopped for a dress code violation for showing her shoulders. Rucks then had the T-shirt made for her daughter to protest the new
policy. According to the Herald Leader, the controversial T-shirt was a “large size” and covered the teen from “neck to elbows and to her bottom.”
Sporting the protest T-shirt to school last Thursday, Isabella was soon stopped by the principal and became “uncooperative” and “loud” in the lobby, according to the police report, as
per the Herald Leader.
Resisting arrest by the school resource officer, she eventually was handcuffed. Taken to in-school suspension, Isabella then tried to use her cellphone to call her mom, but was not
allowed, the report states. When school resource officer Ronald Ingram tried to take the cellphone, Isabella kicked him in the right shin. According to Rucks, Isabella is a red belt in
taekwondo.
Subsequently charged with disorderly conduct, resisting arrest and third-degree assault of a law enforcement officer, Isabella went in front of a local judge later that day and was
taken to McCracken Regional Juvenile Detention Center. She stayed at the center until Aug. 28 and has since been released on house arrest.
Moving forward, Rucks told the Herald Leader she may find a private attorney and potentially sue the school for what transpired.
“She shouldn’t have been in any kind of trouble. Now it turned out to be where she’s in McCracken because the assistant principal did not like what her shirt had read,” Rucks told the
Herald Leader. “They got her with resisting arrest for a shirt that was peaceful protesting.”
“I feel like the school has gone overboard. She’s such a good kid,” Rucks added.
Imagine living in a time where you can be "arrested" by an employee of a high school.
Subsequently charged with disorderly conduct, resisting arrest and third-degree assault of a law enforcement officer, Isabella went in front of a local judge later that day and was
taken to McCracken Regional Juvenile Detention Center. She stayed at the center until Aug. 28 and has since been released on house arrest.
She was sent to fucking Juvvy
this is some straight up Third Reich bullshit
To be fair, she made the mistake of physically resisting/assaulting a resource officer.
As always with US authorities, comply, then sue.
She was in jail for five days?!?! What the fuck is wrong with these people???
It's fucking sad that we need to teach children how to deal with police officers and not get beaten/arrested.
She didn't go to juvvie for the shirt.
"Resisting arrest by the school resource officer, she eventually was handcuffed. Taken to in-school suspension, Isabella then tried to use her cellphone to call her mom, but was not
allowed, the report states. When school resource officer Ronald Ingram tried to take the cellphone, Isabella kicked him in the right shin. According to Rucks, Isabella is a red belt in
taekwondo.
Subsequently charged with disorderly conduct, resisting arrest and third-degree assault of a law enforcement officer, Isabella went in front of a local judge later that day and was
taken to McCracken Regional Juvenile Detention Center. She stayed at the center until Aug. 28 and has since been released on house arrest.
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What the fuck is this? Seriously, what?
How can any American poke fun at Britain for licencing rubbish when they've got school cops?
You don't have to teach someone not to assault police officers. If you do that you are in the wrong. You will never win through escalation.
In highschool we had plenty of stupid dress codes. If you violated it they made you put on a generic shirt from the front office iirc. At worst you got detention/ISS. I like her protest shirt because I think dress codes are mostly bullshit. At worst if she had just complied when she was stopped the second time she would've been sent home for disregarding the rules and some other stupid punishment. By the sounds of it she was argumentive from the start of the conversation. At which point the RO was called in to take her to ISS. Where she broke the rules and assaulted an officer.
So she went to jail because she attacked s police officer while serving a suspension. If she had not done that, she would've probably just had a suspension which you should expect from breaking the stupid dress code twice.
The protest shirt probably doesn't directly break dress code but they'd probably try to pin her on it being "distracting." Had some friends get pinned on innocouous clothes for being distracting. One was a dudes sick afro.
Are you forgetting the fact that he shouldn't have even tried to take her phone in the first place
I have no idea why you're defending this, the officer was an idiot, anyone who told him to get the phone in the first place is an idiot, this entire situation is American Dystopia brand of retardation.
Some dude trying to grab your phone to stop you from calling your parents is grounds for "assault", no matter who you are, the fact he's got a badge shouldn't be a factor.
While I don't really disagree, she shouldn't have been arrested in the first place. Anyone who thinks authorities should have been involved in this incident is a damn psychopath and shouldn't be involved in education.
Assigning police to school campuses seems to have caused more trouble than it's been worth.
Resource Officers mostly stay out of sight and see there to take care of disorderly students or other unlawful situations. Everything from breaking up fights, investigating threats, drug use, all the way up to school shootings. In Texas school districts have their own police that dealt with anything to do with students or happenings close to school. My cousin and uncle are ISD Officers. One time they had to stake out all night because a kid was setting school buses and property on fire. They got 'em. Other things were taking huge knifes off students to investigating on campus graffiti and drugs. Basic stuff.
Yeah and everything you've mentioned is actual crime
As in against the law
Not policing individual school policies
You don't get a phone in ISS. She shouldn't have had a phone to begin with. All schools might be different but usually you're required to surrender your phone before serving your suspension. It's given back at the end of the suspension. She's in the wrong here.
Why do you need a member of law enforcement to deal with someone wearing the 'wrong' clothes and then attempt to use force to get something they're using to contact their parents
She was loud and combative with the principal. Probably drew a crowd and the officer showed up to see what was going on.
It doesn't go into specifics about how it began but usually being loud and combative in the halls is enough to bring out the RO.
why would you need a member of law enforcement for rowdy teenagers
Yes I would be punished for that. Especially if I was in a situation where I was required to surrender my wallet and refused to.
Why should someone get punished for assaulting someone trying to commit an act of theft just because they're a member of law enforcement
I'd say she had a right to inform her parents of how the school was behaving.
Thats not what i asked, i asked why would schools need a police officer for that.
If nearly every other country in the world doesn't need it why does America, this seems like an utterly bizarre thing
She broke the dress code twice. She probably would've got ISS regardless of how reacted the second time. Like I said dress codes are stupid but that doesn't give you the clear to disregard the rules and start breaking the actual law when the school tries to enforce their policy.
If you're gonna knowingly fight the man you should expect punishment. ISS is all that needed to be but she decided to make it worse for herself.
Our crumbling infrastructure, neglect of the poor, collapse of the Middle Class, increasing amounts of "Nanny-state" legislation, corruption, children feeling neglected, parents unable to spend time with their kids due to long hours, budget cuts and the shitty excuse that is our educational system is probably why.
Like I said we don't know the circumstances of how the RO got involved. Just that she was being loud, argumentive, and combative. The ROs job is to get involved in that situation and try to deescalate the situation.
Why do you keep saying this? My question is why is he even needed for those sitatuions
Why do these schools have police officers getting involved in situations that nearly every other school on earth solves themselves?
Every example you mentioned before was stopping actual crime such as burning buses, not argumentative students.
In any given situation in the public. It makes sense that a Police officer would have to stop a teenager who was being violent.
I think what Piggo is trying to get here is why the fuck there needs to be a Cop to arrest a kid who was breaching Dress-code, meanwhile that should've been the responsibility of the School's staff.
Of course the Cop is there for other reasons. Such as guarding the school from school shooters and etc. But the cop shouldn't be in charge of arresting kids for breaking school rules.
Like I said. We don't know. All we know is she was uncooperative. She was being loud. She was being argumentive. She was causing a scene in the middle of the lobby. The dude could've came on his own to see what the deal was. Was it a bully? Was it a fight? The dude could've been radioed in by the bitch Principal who could've told him a fight was about to break out. We don't know. There's a million scenarios that could've happened to get the officer involved.
It's entirely likely the officer didn't even know what he was responding to until he got there. Then he escorts her to the suspension (which she probably would've gotten anyway)
Because teenagers are practically adults. Pretending that theyre not capable of being violent assholes is dumb, wise up man.
Yea, they should be punished, they attacked a police officer.
You can come up with silly hypotheticals all day long but the bottom line is dont attack a cop. If the girl felt what he was doing was wrong, she should have complied and complained. Attacking a cop for enforcing rules only made her situation that much worse. Yea, the rule is dumb but she shouldn't have expected to be exempt from the rules for protesting them.
I think you fail to have enough nuance to realise that shirt wasn't the issue rather the issue her behaviour. The article says she kicked the officer in the shin, she wasn't compliant, and seemingly escalated the situation by being loud. If anything, the parents are fools for encouraging thoughtless, rebellious behaviour rather fostering respectful protest.
Also while it would be easy to say something along the lines of
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Oh lol u silleh bad teeths dun know nuthin bout children smartin'.
like how you said
this entire situation is American Dystopia brand of retardation
I think it would be better to acknowledge we have very little information from the article and remind ourselves that any conclusion has a high possibility of being wrong (Mine included). Also in most American public schools, school personnel can demand your personal phone at any time if you have it out. The fact that she resisted is grounds for defiance and the fact that she kicked the office as a trained "martial artist" is grounds for assault.
Honestly I don't know how you can automatically assume the child is innocent. To me, it seems like she was looking for trouble with the encouragement of her parents and bit off a little more than she could chew. While that might not be true, the facts of the matter are still evident: she was defiant to authority and violently resisted said authority.
Please, if you are gonna have a knee jerk reaction that is critical of a culture at least be culturally competent (Or competent in general) instead of wasting a reply.
As someone who was once a horny, pubescent 14 year old Freshman in High School, legs and shoulders were a bit of a tease, not gonna lie. I remember actually getting distracted by the most non-sexual parts of the human body.
Then again, I was a greasy nerd so who knows
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