Trump administration proposes rule to indefinitely detain migrant families - Polidicks

https://www.axios.com/trump-administration-undocumented-families-flores-settlement-d6dfc87c-3d14-4d60-a1fd-6d3a072ccb4f.html The Departments of Homeland Security and Health and Human Services have proposed a rule that would allow them to indefinitely keep children caught crossing the border illegally with their parents in family detention centers, circumventing the Flores Settlement, a legal ruling that prevents minors from being held in detention longer than 20 days. Why it matters: The Flores Settlement has been a key obstacle to the Trump administration's efforts to crack down on immigrant families illegally crossing the border, which reached a flash point earlier this year with the administration's "zero tolerance" family separation policy. The administration will likely face new legal challenges over the rule, especially given federal Judge Dolly Gee has already declined to change her Flores ruling at President Trump's request. Under the settlement, families are kept in detention together up to the 20-day limit — after which immigration authorities must complee the asylum or removal process or release the family into the U.S. until their immigration court hearings. "Today, legal loopholes significantly hinder the department’s ability to appropriately detain and promptly remove family units that have no legal basis to remain in the country. This rule addresses one of the primary pull factors for illegal immigration and allows the federal government to enforce immigration laws as passed by Congress." — DHS Secretary Kristjen Nielsen

But guys Nazi comparisons are hyperbole

Not even surprising at this point. Its just sad.

I want to ask what the fuck he's thinking, cause this isn't what you do with a really bad midterm looming for your party. I think such questions are really sort of a moot point though. Trump is trying to push against immigrants because he was forced to can the whole "separate kids and put them in camps" idea and if there's one thing that bothers Trump, it's not getting his way.

We're getting closer and closer to the point where an armed revolt is going to be inevitable

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that whole catch and release on anklet policy of Obama's seems more and more preferable each day when the other option is concentration camps

“But the one great shocking occasion, when tens or hundreds or thousands will join with you, never comes. That’s the difficulty. If the last and worst act of the whole regime had come immediately after the first and smallest, thousands, yes, millions would have been sufficiently shocked—if, let us say, the gassing of the Jews in ’43 had come immediately after the ‘German Firm’ stickers on the windows of non-Jewish shops in ’33. But of course this isn’t the way it happens. In between come all the hundreds of little steps, some of them imperceptible, each of them preparing you not to be shocked by the next. Step C is not so much worse than Step B, and, if you did not make a stand at Step B, why should you at Step C? And so on to Step D. And one day, too late, your principles, if you were ever sensible of them, all rush in upon you. The burden of self-deception has grown too heavy, and some minor incident, in my case my little boy, hardly more than a baby, saying ‘Jewish swine,’ collapses it all at once, and you see that everything, everything, has changed and changed completely under your nose. The world you live in—your nation, your people—is not the world you were born in at all. The forms are all there, all untouched, all reassuring, the houses, the shops, the jobs, the mealtimes, the visits, the concerts, the cinema, the holidays. But the spirit, which you never noticed because you made the lifelong mistake of identifying it with the forms, is changed. Now you live in a world of hate and fear, and the people who hate and fear do not even know it themselves; when everyone is transformed, no one is transformed. Now you live in a system which rules without responsibility even to God. The system itself could not have intended this in the beginning, but in order to sustain itself it was compelled to go all the way." A book full of terrifying parelells by a man who managed to live through the whole event

Along this line, this blog has been keeping a weekly record of subtle changes under Trump's administration

id like to think the US wasnt capable of accepting fascism, especially after the second world war when we saw what fascism was capable of, but apparently something's gone very wrong. you'd think in an information age where you can literally google the various atrocities that fascism has led to, i'd imagine people would be a lot more capable of identifying it but apparently not. what a fucking age we live in, folks.

We live in a world where a party has convinced a significant amount of its members that Nazi-era fascism was a left wing ideology while said party endorses a president who is basically a fascist. With enough anti-intellectualism any lesson can be un-learned.

I want this entire administration to be launched in a box into space.

thats the thing that completely baffles me they just point out the word "socialism" in it and they eat that shit up. you either just call it fake news or plaster the word socialism all over it and people will treat it like its the worst thing since the black plague.

Next step, months later - "oh no, it's too expensive to keep all these families detained, we're going to have to make them do hard labour while detained indefinitely". Or maybe they'll just skip a few steps.

50% of voters (38% Dem 73% Rep) would not vote for "a generally well-qualified person nominated from their own party" if they were socialist. That's more than an atheist candidate, Muslim, evengelical Christian. or Mormon.

doesnt surprise me on the republican side at all, they're usually first to the punch when it comes to demonizing socialist anything i guess people just see socialists as godless commies, atheists are already godless but socialists are that and they're communists that's like the least american thing ever

It's so interesting how I'm living through a time where i get to see a country slowly fall into just straight up fascism.

I just wish it wasn't where I was and I had the ability to leave.

money really helps grease the wheels. there has never been a time where the rich have had such access and resources to so effectively and completely control the government.

The question is why does big business want fascism. People tend to buy more shit when they're happy. and people aren't really happy living in a fascist dictatorship.

A lot of modern conservative "values" espoused by Republicans don't really tend to concern themselves with any future aside from the very near, and everyone that benefits from that just wants to be along for the ride as long as the wave rides high. Hell, you can see post-Reagan, one very unifying ideal in the GOP's actions has been a willingness to burn anything as fuel to get what they want NOW, regardless of long term consequences, even to themselves. No regulations on anything from dangerous industries to ISPs, who cares about the climate, job security for high value workers, no unions, the health of the people. It's all a currency to them, fuck the consequences so long as they aren't instant, and the profit is.

Funniest part is how many of these retards would be up in arms saying "fucking socialist dont take my Medicare" or something. Most of america seems to be stockholm syndromed into accepting a government that actively and constantly works against them.

The GOP has used wedge issues stunningly well to stay in power. Abortion, guns, immigration, they make people feel their only option is GOP.

Pretty much the GOP modus operandi: Fuck people over until they’re used to being fucked over so we can fuck them over some more, and if we need to, preach on morality and security until the masses accept us again.

Wasn't there news of true US citizens being questioned about their citizen ship Think of the moral implications of all of this being 100% true. Time is going to be an interesting story-telling.

I remember hearing about that. I also just flashed back to Umbridge's "you stole that wand" hearings in Deathly Hallows.

America has friggin' LOVED fascism since its inception: consider slavery, the trail of tears, COINTELPRO, the prison-industrial complex, military worship, literal Eugenics, the nuclear strike on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and friggin everything else I can't remember. I'd say that america has always been like this, it's just now some people are noticing it. America has the capacity to do great things and improve the lives of potentially billions, but terrible humans created it and terrible humans run it. If we had people with actual compassion and morals, unlike warhawks like McCain and the garbage human beings currently in office, this country could be so much more.

GOP, Trump, etc please die in non-assassination related deaths ASAP

even if trump died of natural causes right this minute you'd have people claiming it was assassination by the deep state