So the real reason valve couldnt make games was because of investing years into customer service according to them.
Just more evidence that flat structures in large companies are garbage.
I'm not a fan of card games but you cannot even deny the amount of work that was put into the game.
Like look at that PAX booth, and all the hand-drawn artwork they had to do for all the cards, and that according to the video some of the cards even have multiple voice clips that are also different depending on what other card you're using it against? Jesus fucking christ.
Anyways I'm cautiously excited for what "several other games" they're planning on releasing after Artifact.
A reason, not the sole one. Mostly office politics.
A card game will get more esports funding and support from valve than csgo will, I guarantee it.
Honestly, Artifact looks way way way too complex and complicated to be enjoyable. And I say that as a dude who likes games like CK2.
Setting aside the fact that it looks like releases with over a dozen different 'attributes' before even the first expansion, the big kicker is the fact that there are three playfields, each with their own mana and health pools.
So every time you wanna start up a game of Artifact, you have to be ready to play three different games at the same time.
Who thought this was a good idea?
I mean, the creator of Magic and seemingly most of Valve seem to, as well as a majority of people who've played it so far.
Artifact will get shit either way, even if its a great game.
Thats the fate of the first game valve releases after such a huge break.
Unless it was HL3 maybe but even that would probably get shit for no reason.
Richard Garfield has made 23 other games besides Magic, 10 of which were card games.
Of those, only one was successful. King of Tokyo. All of his card games have failed.
The first ever tournament next year will have a $1 million prize pool.
For all the mistreatment valve did to their products and customers im willing to see if this year they will start to slowly crawl back into a better state,not like old valve but a new valve trying to get their shit together and start making products.
I don't think a ton of failures is really indicative or meaningful of anything, especially when there is one huge success already
Several other games:
Music rythim game
E-sports manager 2019
Ricochet 2
Valve tetris
Alien swarm remastered
Artifact at PAX had >3 hour queue and almost everyone who played it gave nothing but praise.
You lot made up your mind when you decide to hate valve and card games.
i love card games, I'm just not convinced artifact will be any fun at high levels of play
I've been on facepunch long enough to see multiple times people being mad at x company doing y thing.
Every single time it end up with them going the opposite way, this is why paid DLC and Lootboxes worked people, no self control.
I wouldn't give any shit to a proper single-player title from Valve.
I'm not gonna lie that it's not a good card game. It looks extremely polished and well done. But like, well, it's the equivalent of waiting for da vinci to release a new piece of art after all his previous work, and he comes out with a birthday card design. I'm sure it'll be a super high quality one, maybe even better than every other one, but they're capable of so much more.
I've lost all interest in valve properties, tbqh. It's like how Duke Nukem 3D was such an awesome game and then they started promising Duke Nukem forever, and when it came out, not only did it suck but the fanbase had evaporated a decade ago. When I was 12 I exclusively played CS:S, HL2:DM, TF2, and Garry's Mod. I soaked up any Valve lore I could, owned Valve merch, and played and replayed HL, HL2, and Ep 1 & 2.
And then over the course of the last 11 years, so many other great games have come through that Valve games just don't really hold my interest anymore. It's not like star wars, where you can have the original trilogy come out, and then a few crappy prequels and the series sits silent for a decade and people still absolutely love it. They just got kinda stale. Like if they released Ep3/HL3 tomorrow, I'd probably just wait for it to go on sale
Then occasionally, Valve comes out and says "People of earth! we have heard your pleas! we are happy to announce that, YES, we HAVE licensed the portal IP to a popular indie developer and they have included companion cube memes in their artwork!" and the fans are just like "fuck yourself, gay ben"
Cascade: The Half-Life card game.
Intelligence: The Team Fortress 2 card game.
Aperture: The Portal card game.
Axis: The Day of Defeat card game.
etc.
I mean a polished turd is still a turd. Game can look pretty and have nice animations, but if the gameplay is garbage and the business model is scummy as hell, its still shit.
I think a lot pf you guys have preemtively decided to hate this game which is a shame. It is not a cash grab by any means. There was a team of people at valve that really believed they could add value to the genre and no matter what they do they get shit for not being a typical experience.
I think it would be more fair to shit on the game for its own faults when it comes out rather than shiting it before it even comes out because of valve's history with games.
Criticising the game itself sounds more fair that way instead of dooming it because of valve sellings their souls on steam.
A card game is fine, but after several years of relative silence I think most people were expecting something more. It's fine if you like card games, nothing against that, but many Valve fans are rightfully disappointed that this isn't something innovative. It's a card game that seems similar to others like it. There's only so much you can do with cards.
This is a company that has created some of the most critically acclaimed titles of all time. They aren't some small indie dev. They are a multi-million dollar corporation that deserves the same scrutiny as publishers like EA and 2K. They shouldn't get a pass because they seemed really excited to work on Artifact. Not after the years of waiting for something new. If Valve had simply communicated I can assure you this backlash would not be nearly as extreme.
You think of them as a follective though when in reality they are several small teams under one banner. Also artifact is trying quite a few different things and valve apparently has more coming.
Maybe the game is good, I'm just not very interested in these types of games. The fact that it's not F2P and yet has paid cards/packs leaves kind of a sour taste in my mouth, and I mostly just think Valve is a shitty company nowadays. The sole fact that the game exists shows how out of touch Valve is, and I think that most people are so fed up with Valve as a company that they're channeling this distaste into pure hate for everything Valve does nowadays. Understandable, but not all that reasonable imo.
"Sure, the creator of MtG might have came to Valve looking to make a new gamechanging experience for the Card Game scene before Hearthstone was even a thing, and sure all of Valve
might have been so impressed by it that they got behind him and gave their full attention to it, and sure everyone who played it has nothing but praise for it and has said that it's a fantastic
game, but it's not Half Life so fuck you Valve, game sux and you sux!"
For example each lane has its own mana and you need to have a hero on the lane that has the same color as the spell you are trying to cast,alongside with the shop,the triple lanes and the infinite hand capacity and units not using any mana i say its atleast more inovative than hearthstone.
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