Misogyny could become hate crime as legal review is announced - Polidicks

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-45423789

"Nottinghamshire Police, which has been recording misogyny as a hate crime since 2016, defines misogyny as "incidents against women that are motivated by the attitude of men towards women and includes behaviour targeted at women by men simply because they are women". Examples include sexual assault, indecent exposure, groping, taking unwanted photographs on mobiles, upskirting, online abuse, being followed home, whistling, sexually explicit language, threatening/aggressive/intimidating behaviour, and unwanted sexual advances. However, not all hate crimes are criminal offences according to the legal definition."

Makes sense in a world where incels exist

Seems kind of redundant to make crimes committed by men against women punished more harshly considering that that's already the case without hate crime laws.

What about Misandry, or are crimes against boys meant to be lighter because they're boys?

One might say it's not fully based on facts and reason

As if anyone is going to take a stance against misandry publicly lol

I think in many cases of law it's better to make things explicit than leave it in a grey area, rather than leave it up to whatever cultural biases that the judge has.

It's better to give cultural biases a legal precedent to defend them???

Hate crimes against men are extremely uncommon

At least if I'm understanding the way this is written most of these crimes have the exact same motivations when done in reverse.

So the severity of punishment should depend on the frequency with which the crime is committed by the population?

It kind of seems like you would be better off just increasing the punishment for all of these things universally instead of classifying them as a hate crime when committed against women.

Leave it to you to twist words in a way that makes them sound antagonistic, do you really have to do this in every single thread?

You should do a better job of posting what you mean because that's the only way to interpret your post. "Why does this not apply to men being attacked for being men?" "Men don't get attacked for being men very much" What else are we supposed to conclude from your post?

the comment was responding to why a law hasn't been written yet, stating that it's because the crime is uncommon

As much as I usually hate Geel's posts, he kind of has a point.

This is correct, I'm not defending the unevenness of the law. Ideally, it'd be egalitarian. I'm trying to explain why a female-specific version has been given a higher priority.

So is someone shitting directly onto your porch once a week, but that hasn't stopped me.

Should include any sexes and gender identities

If we're going to put gender as a class that qualifies for hate crime legislation, there is literally no reason not to cover genders equally. It's not like misandry or deep hatred against third genders doesn't exist. It would be remarkably unsurprising for someone to be physically attacked due to identifying as non-binary, for example. If we're going to change up the laws it would be trivial to make it egalitarian.

The law is already being written. Why would they make it specific to women if they have the opportunity to -- extremely easily -- make it gender-neutral? It's a bullshit excuse.

you seem to be coming at the formation of laws as though they are forming in a perfect void of equality and protecting women instantly causes inequality. laws like these are not formed in a vacuum, they are responses to societal reality, and the reality is that women are not broadly speaking as well off as men. laws like this are routs to equality even if they are not themselves equal, their effect in the wider context is regulative

Why not just make sexism in general a hate crime, like racism?

But this is doing the opposite of that. All of these crimes (and the vast majority of crimes in general, for that matter) are already punished significantly more harshly if the perpetrator is male and/or if the victim is female. This isn't addressing an imbalance in society, it's enshrining a sexist prejudice into law.

Fix the imbalance by imbalancing it more

Britain is already imbalanced as fuck with laws against men, and the past few years it's just been getting worse and it's disgusting. There was a video recently shared on Facebook showing officers taking a mans kids away despite the fact they wanted to be with the father with the oldest one saying that his mum abuses him, it didn't matter though because no matter what women get what they want and if the father intervened he's be arrested and have a bad criminal record.

Didn't they pass a law lately where women get less punishments for the same crimes as men?

That's what he's calling into question though?

That sucks but is also a distinct issue separate from hate crimes