• Egypt sentences 75 Muslim Brotherhood members to death in mass trial
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/sep/08/egypt-sentences-75-to-death-in-rabaa-massacre-mass-trial The 75 were given the death penalty for offences ranging from murder to incitement to break the law, membership of a banned group, or being part of an illegal gathering. Sentenced to death for being part of an illegal gathering?
I mean, in Egypt they are listed as a terrorist organisation so the death penalty isn't particularly surprising all things considered. Doesn't make it right of course, but it isn't surprising. Though the list of nations that also label them as a terrorist organisation are basically just Russia, Syria, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, UAE, and oddly enough Canada. So, basically I feel like there's grounds for bias here on most of that list.
Always knew Canada was part of something darker, more evil.
It's literally the only member of the list that doesn't make sense. You'd expect to see the US on the list before Canada.
That's probably more down to the fact that they don't operate outside of the middle east than anything else. They pulled some seriously nefarious shit during the Egyptian revolution in 2011
A guy I knew from Egypt said the Muslim Brotherhood pulled some shady shit, tried to desecularize legislation and push a more 'Islamic' agenda which is why some have welcomed their removal. Still concerning here nonetheless.
I feel like, unless we have a more basic and serious conversation about capital punishment, any and all such cases shall be left to the whims of the somewhat obtuse philosophies we have at play at the present moment. Even those who say that 'capital punishment is wrong' do not give significant grounds for such claims. While I do not disagree with this camp, it seems that there are more arguments that should be presented. If I am to make obvious my own point of view, I would say that such decisions are in the wrong and do not take into account the total value that is at play. People (read: humans [due to their high value] ) should not be wantonly disposed of just because something has gone wrong.
This is patently false. A strong argument against the death penalty is that it cannot be undone, and if the evidence used to convict the suspect of the crime is in anyway faulty, mis-understood, or tampered with, the person who dies could be entirely innocent. Another reason to not have a death penalty is the cost. From a strictly pragmatic point of view, the cost of housing people in prisons for life sentences is large, but it's less than the cost of having a justice system that is able to carry out the necessary appeals and re-examination of the evidence required to have a fair and consistent death penalty.
Hmm, it seems that I mis-spoke. I wished to speak of those that argue for the rightness of capital punishment in general terms. In case my explicit statement of my own view was not obvious; I disagree with the death penalty in all but the mathematically proven cases of necessity.
I think this is the part that really disqualifies any moral input we have on this. We haven't dealt with this organization, we can't really empathize or realize the extent of damage they did. If they're classified as a terrorist group, it's probably for a more nefarious reason than wearing knee-high socks and lecturing people on Allah. Radicalism in the middle-east is violent while radicalism in the west is mostly just socially toxic. If this is the kind of deterrent you need in countries that haven't even gone a decade without declaring martial law and had violent regime changes or neighbor such contries ( and therefore still feel the same instability first hand), then so be it. I think the west and the middle-earth are in two very different positions when it comes to the feasibility of abolishing capital punishment. It's also painfully obvious that the two cultural spheres are not equally functional and DO need different deterrents AND consequences to anti-social behavior.
For anyone who cares, the Muslim Brotherhood has a storied history in modern Egypt. It has long tried to be a counterweight to Egypt's establishment, good and bad. Egypt has flirted with geo-political greatness, and the government has wielded power as brutally as it has thoughtfully. It's a nation that has shown pretty a pretty strong propensity towards establishment, order, combined with genuine intellectual idealism at some considerable moral expense - something I think the West doesn't understand about it. The Brotherhood is the mirror image to that same propensity. It has demonstrated genuine value to the disenfranchised, where needed, and also thoroughly undermined itself with violence. The revolution took so much human and intellectual potential and directed it into the hands of strongmen and brute force. The fact that the Brotherhood is still a boogeyman in 2018 shows just how much history matters. This is what mandate colonialism created.
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